Star Wars vs Star Trek

Discussion in 'SciFi & Fantasy' started by Pollux V, May 9, 2002.

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Which universe would win?

  1. Star Trek

    227 vote(s)
    35.5%
  2. Star Wars

    268 vote(s)
    41.9%
  3. Spaceballs

    47 vote(s)
    7.3%
  4. Farscape

    12 vote(s)
    1.9%
  5. Dune

    50 vote(s)
    7.8%
  6. Stargate

    36 vote(s)
    5.6%
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  1. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    You can't direct-link from SD.net mate - it redirects you. That explains why I can't see the other image...

    Mystery solved

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  3. fedr808 1100101 Valued Senior Member

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    Whats the context for this?

    Also lets remember that star wars shields probably could not block a phaser nor a torpedo while trek shields would repel turbolasers with ease.
     
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  5. Shogun Bleed White and Blue! Valued Senior Member

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    Exams are OVER YEAH!

    So.....what have been going on here, a summary please?
     
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  7. Saquist Banned Banned

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    Of course the asteroid has a non uniform shape.
    All asteroids have a non uniform shape.
    Thus you measure from one EXTENT to the other. Doing so does not assume a perfect sphere. Otherwise you're making indirect measurements and that is prone to extreme error just like when Wong ASSUMED the asteroids were 40 meters wide instead of just 4 meters.
     
  8. George1 Registered Senior Member

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    what could be the reason for that?
    i see.
     
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  9. George1 Registered Senior Member

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    right...and we got to that conclusion by...
     
  10. George1 Registered Senior Member

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    yeah, i know how measuring an asteroid is done. but the extents of the asteroid are just a large bulge that appear to be make the asteroid bigger. that's a common thing happening with miss-shaped asteroids. no astronomer measures the size of the asteroid from one bulge to another.
    the asteroid is a potato-shaped. we have only one image of it, but we can clearly see the far bottom of it to be just a bulge, going a pit down.
    and again with the 4 meters asteroid thingy. no one ASSUMED anything.
     
  11. Saquist Banned Banned

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    George look at hist site:

    http://www.stardestroyer.net/tlc/Power/index.html

    He's not showing you the rock sizes themselves.
    He's showing you the explosions. My God, all of his estimates seemed to be complete contrivance. There is not one proper measurement comparison shot on the whole page. He's making it up.

    I'm beginning to see this man's reasoning is all completely illusion.



    @ Kittamaru

    Am I wrong or is Wong showing explosions rather than the asteroids on his page? http://www.stardestroyer.net/tlc/Power/index.html
     
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  12. George1 Registered Senior Member

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    did you bother actually reading?

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    HE IS MAKING COMPARISONS!
    just that you don't seam to understand them.

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    he is making comparisons all over the page. it can't get any better as far this debate goes.
    plus, all shots at asteroids come not from the heavy guns, but from areas with less powerful canons, like the bottom and the sides. the heavy guns are flanking the ship's tower structure:

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    see? the weapon fire at the asteroid dose not represent its full firepower.
     
  13. George1 Registered Senior Member

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    all images from the site. unfortunately the forum restricts me to 3 images. but they are enough to show you actually didn't reed the site.
     
  14. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    No, he's right... he's taking the measurements after the impact from the radius of the explosion, not from the radius of the asteroid itself.

    What a fucking liar Wong is... *sighs* Ah well, what's to be expected from someone as utterly DESPERATE as he was?
     
  15. George1 Registered Senior Member

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    and you to. didn't even bother reading right?
    that's hard words coming from you, who just showed he didn't actually reed anything on the site!
     
  16. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    *laughs in your face* George, are you fucking STUPID or something?

    I have the goddamned website RIGHT in front of me you incredible prick, and yet you have the gall to call me a LIAR about it?

    Kid, you have reached the point where you can kindly fuck off and find a nice window to lick for all I care; however, don't you EVEN sit there and think you can insult me and degrade me like that, especially given your personal track record.
     
  17. George1 Registered Senior Member

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    well im sorry if you toke as an insult, cuz it wasn't! trust me, when i insult, I INSULT!
    my track record? XDXD
    dude, how about cheeking yours first?
    the site uses a dozen images to show its point. what part dose support your claim? tell me which, and i'll show you that you are wrong! its as simple as that!
     
  18. fedr808 1100101 Valued Senior Member

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    well because star wars ships fire plasma based bolts.


    Since that is the only common ship to ship non kinetic or torpedo based then that is the only thing that their shields can protect against.

    Making an anti plasma shield can be done in two ways. A deflector/ energy weapon shield such as on a star trek ship.

    Or a very highly charged shield around a star wars ship.
    That is how it works and the reason why is because it would be woefully inefficient for star wars to try the hybrid combination that trek uses since it does not need an anti beam weapon shield which works very differently because no one in wars uses that kind of weapon on a mass scale. Basic rule of supply and demand, if there is zero demand then there is zero supply.

    A charged shield will not block a phaser since a phaser is basically a very advanced energy beam weapon based off of the electromagnetic spectrum. Simply because a photon is chargeless.

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    Fortunately for trek, Romulans commonly used plasma based energy weapons so that same argument fails utterly for you. Trek has more then enough experience with advanced plasma weapons.

    And concidering how pathetic the advancement of technology is in wars chances are the war would be long over before they even figure out how to try and stop a phaser let alone an antiproton beam.
     
  19. fedr808 1100101 Valued Senior Member

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    Pffft, really? You want to have an insult fight? Kid I will mop the floor with you.

    Really? You want to go on track records now?

    You know what george? Brains aren't everything. In fact in your case they're nothing.

    How about you shutup, grow up, and show some respect.
     
  20. TW Scott Minister of Technology Registered Senior Member

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    Actually, given that even the weakest of radiation fields scrambles hand phasors and we have seen in SW that Ray and Particle shielding can stopp matter cold in it's tracks, I do not think this is a wise assumption.

    Arguably one could say that the Shields on the first Death Star were permeable to snubfightercraft, but phton torpedoes would be coming in much to quickly to be considered a fighter or anything other than a weapon.

    I would also like to point out that while the Federation ships are immune to megawattand a kilowatt level lasers. The Borgs use lasers to cut out sections of the hull after only scrambling the deflector screens. Obviously power level is a factor in such cases.
     
  21. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    Both of these are blatant lies, especially considering the regenerative power pack for hand phasers were designed specifically to combat exotic radiation from rendering hand phasers useless. See anything past Season 3 of TNG for proof of this. Also, if shields in SW are as potent as you say, then those asteroids would never have posed any threat, period.


    I didn't realize SW shields were void shields and selectively allowed things past based on what they were...

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    Uhuh, and a laser cutting through bare, unarmored hull has anything to do with lasers effective shields... how again?
     
  22. TW Scott Minister of Technology Registered Senior Member

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    Why does everyone thing SW is so far behind technologically. I do know a few reasons, but understanding of engineering and physics actually would show that these reasons are the reasons why SW is so far ahead.


    SW ships are much larger than ST ships. The Trekkies believes this is proof of superior miniaturization technologies. Meanwhile the structural engineers recognize the skill and superior materials it takes to create such a large vessel. Not to mention generating enough thrust to move said vessel and maintain an environment. This is compounded by the fact that most Star Destroyers can land on a planet and launch again.

    SW uses cables to conduct electricty while ST uses plasma conduits. To Trekkies plasma must be an upgrade in technology as yourpower is carried to you by an excited state of matter. Engineers see a great number of volatile conduits that can rupture, leak and explode causing horrific damage and loss of life. A wire made of super conductor may become frayed or catch aflame, but i have never seen one leak a flesh dissolving cloud.

    SW using swtiches, yokes, levers, and dials while ST uses the Okudagram. Now this is just a matter of taste, most humans love feedback from the machines they use. The ver same reason Riker uses the Joystick when he needs the Enterprise or Titan to perform a manuever more complicated than got form point a to be to c to d.
     
  23. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    *chuckles*

    A) none of that would matter, even if it were correct
    B) none of that is correct
    C) stop trying to change the topic

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