If it don't kill you, it makes you stronger

Discussion in 'Free Thoughts' started by Kellisness, Mar 18, 2011.

  1. Kennyc Registered Senior Member

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    Survive. That's the point of the question.
     
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  3. birch Valued Senior Member

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    a saying like this applies best to issues of developing immunity.

    number one, two and three is still dependent on circumstance and the specific. that's where the 'possibility' comes in. there are no guarantees.
     
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  5. wynn ˙ Valued Senior Member

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    No, in terms of the explanation, the idea is that it is precisely not the case that it would depend on circumstances and specifics, but that the possibility to overcome hurt is a human ability as such, an ability that is often ignored but doesn't have to be.

    I'll rephrase:

    "If it doesn't kill you, it makes you stronger" is basically a short way of saying
    "1. Humans have the innate ability to overcome hurt, 2. After being hurt, humans have the innate ability to become stronger in some important way, 3. Nothing stops you from overcoming hurt, there is no need to ignore our innate ability to overcome hurt, 4. Do it!"
     
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  7. birch Valued Senior Member

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    i'm sorry, i forgot that you were the one where my iq seems to suddenly plummet after conversing with you.

    you 'do it!'. i would just love to see how someone like you could actually handle a real problem. i have no respect for people who have the audacity to tell people to do things which they don't know an inkling about.

    even number three is technically incorrect. this would be obvious to anyone who took just a second to actually think about what they are stating. that is an amazingly gross assumption.

    "nothing stops you from overcoming hurt" is still dependent on circumstance/specific.
     
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  8. wynn ˙ Valued Senior Member

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    What's the problem?

    I was explaining how "If it doesn't kill you, it makes you stronger" is a conflation on an explanation and an instruction.

    I never agreed with or endorsed that "If it doesn't kill you, it makes you stronger".
     
  9. birch Valued Senior Member

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    you are a very blatant liar. i was pointing out that it was incorrect and you knew that. i could also tell that you were endorsing it which is why you were persistent when i pointed out it was erroneous. that's the problem with this world, low in character but high in clever bullshit.
     
  10. wynn ˙ Valued Senior Member

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  11. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    :worship:
     
  12. nietzschefan Thread Killer Valued Senior Member

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    Yes indeed.

    Life, from an individual standpoint is simply the accumulation of damage. Overcoming it makes you stronger (wiser, mentally he is certainly not talking about physical strength which most English speakers jump to).
     
  13. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    Just answer it Kellisness. And if you can't you can retract the claim.
     
  14. birch Valued Senior Member

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    eh? you couldn't even explain it worth a damn because you were endorsing your own values. you read inane points into the saying that don't add up.

    the explanations or possible meaning that you believe the author might have meant in his instructions don't even add up to 'what won't kill me will make me stronger'

    humans don't ignore their impulse to heal themselves if they can after injury. the pain or injury is the motivator. the body or mind naturally starts the healing process however it can though not always successfully. actually, the instruction could be construed as meaning to ignore the pain or hurt because whatever you are doing will make you stronger or this is what a person may think while undergoing something with little or no choice. this doesn't mean it's necessarily true. people also don't usually do things knowingly that will harm themselves from the beginning anyways with the intent they can heal themselves later and certainly not with the belief that it will make them stronger.

    a human's will to heal themselves has nothing to do with this saying. you can't just will yourself to heal in all situations or for all injuries. even the most dumbest person usually knows this. people do not usually put themselves in harm's way when it's obvious it is and if they do, they know they are sacrificing themselves. they are not 'ignoring' anything.

    if you had used an example such as strenuous labor will not kill me but make me stronger, so therefore proceed, that would make sense as an instruction. it's still dependent on the circumstance/specific.

    none of your points make much sense.
     
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  15. Stryder Keeper of "good" ideas. Valued Senior Member

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    I'd suggest it's much like sayings/quotes like: "Absence makes the heart grow fonder?"

    It only actually serves that meaning when someone can apply their own observations to it, otherwise it doesn't hold water. In some respects it's very similar to horoscopes or psychic babble, if you seen no relationship then it's going to be false, if you can "believe" in a relationship then you are only fooling yourself.
     
  16. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Still waiting...
     
  17. Me-Ki-Gal Banned Banned

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    Dude Your a Walking Miracle , A lot like my buddy the roofer Bill Gettins . The Hospital almost killed him with over doses of morphine . He was in a comma for 2 months from that little miss appropriation. Great roofer only fell off the roof a couple of times. When we wouldn't see him for awhile we just amused he was in jail though. The guy had away of attracting violence to him self . I don't know, Me and him were good buds. Probably because I never tried to cheat him on a roofing job? He is one scrapping dude I must add. I would not want to throw down his alley , to dangerous . Might kill Me or "Idea" Make Me Stronger. Na might kill Me is what I am thinking . No Joe Arnold " god rest his soul . That guy he figured if it didn't kill him it would make him stronger. God rest his soul . He was like a brother to Me . He killed him self in front of his ex girl friend and his best friend with a pistol . Yeah I miss Joe , Hard luck story was Joe's life and I would say it killed him in the end
     
  18. wynn ˙ Valued Senior Member

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    When you say things like this -

    - things like this are like the monstruous owls and bats in Goya's picture.

    By talking to people as meanly as you do to me (and I have seen you done it to others), you are giving yourself "chronic stress and anxiety" - while your reason is sleeping ...
    If you used your reason, there'd be much fewer monsters there ...
     
  19. birch Valued Senior Member

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    i do use my reason, it's just that bullshit really irks me especially when it seems to be intentional. when people don't ever bother to be more conscientious about what they say but think covering it in nice grammar and tone makes it legitimate etc. also, i've read countless posts that are insulting or with a lot of hubris with no one calling it out. this is because society uses superficial rules but gives a lot of room to spout bs of any kind. so people will take advantage of that, no profanity or direct insults but lots of unconscientious and pretentious crap which is an indirect way to insult or spread misinformation or keep the status quo from being questioned. that type of insensitivity is indirect by a lack of true consideration for others or by omission. so even if i do seem mean, the real truth is i'm really not anymore mean than others because my intention is to make them own up to their bullshit not to hurt people just to make myself feel better or to be hateful, though sometimes i can be wrong. i'm just a bit more direct. i also don't wax on about topics that i don't truly know anything about or pretend i do, i just usually ask questions there but i see a lot of people do that. i just resign myself to issues that i do know about or have real experience with. a lot of people think that they have a right to spread info like they know what they are talking about on just about any issue or topic while spreading more misinformation. they are usually pretty unconcientious about it too. these are adults here, not children and they can take arguments as well as being called out on their bullshit as well as me being called out on mine when and if i do that.

    anyways there is no way the way i speak is really that mean. online it maybe but not in real life. a forum like this is like how people would speak to eachother in a college classroom with propriety or in a professional setting.
     
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  20. Kellisness Registered Senior Member

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    I lied. But never mind, if it don't kill you, it makes you stronger. Chin up.
     
  21. birch Valued Senior Member

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    a perfect example of talking out of one's ass. if the damage is too severe, it can make you weaker. the dumbest person with an iota of conscience and reflection could understand that. that's why a good-hearted person who is truly honest is much more intelligent than a person with an even average or even higher iq that has no sense of conscience or is completely selfish.
     
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  22. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Reported.
     
  23. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    I'm afflicted with Mesothelioma which cannot be cured and my breathing has been greatly reduced over time to where it is difficult to do household chores without running short of breath. It didn't kill me...yet...but I might die due to its choking affects on my lungs, if I don't have a heart attack that doesn't do me in before. :shrug:
     

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