No Fly Zone Over Palestine?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by S.A.M., Apr 21, 2011.

  1. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    that's nice I really don't give a fuck what you think. you think killing people to get what you want is OK, you think killing people and taking their land and property because you make a simple claim of you can do more with it makes it ok, you think genocide is OK so long as your people benefit from it. in the end you attack on my spelling is a simple result of you know your defense of Israel has no moral, legal nor intellectual leg to stand on.
     
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  3. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    You think you know what I think but you don't.
     
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  5. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    So what are the legal or extra-legal recourses available to the Palestinian? Or are you of the opinion that we should now aim for states based on religious affiliation?

    I'm trying to imagine what the common, garden variety Palestinian can do when faced with the destruction of his home and property by foreign immigrants. Who can they apply to for the safe guard of their home and family?

    Are they permitted to defend themselves, do you think?

    Okay, lets say Mr GV Palestine's home has just been demolished. Where does he apply for this money?

    And what can they do with this money? Take out the guy who demolished his home? Apply for a new home in the same neighborhood? Build a new home over the demolished one [some villages have been demolished more than 20 times] ? Replant the olive trees in their orchards? Get security to defend themselves from being demolished and dispossessed? Buy firearms for self defence?

    What would you recommend to this common, garden variety Palestinian?
     
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  7. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    I think the Palestinians are justified in resisting occupation and settlement, but they should know that most of their former territory is lost forever, they should negotiate a two state situation and go on with their lives. Many nations are founded in unfair circumstances, that doesn't mean the world gets a do-over. Practical considerations prevail over nostalgia for the past.
     
  8. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    No no, lets avoid all the politics. I'm talking about the ordinary, common Palestinian. He wakes up in the morning to the sound of a bulldozer - he goes out and sees that his home or village is marked for demolition

    What can he do to defend himself, his home and his family?

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    See, I am always hearing about all the "wrong" ways that Palestinians cope with dispossession.

    So what is the right way?
     
  9. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    Go somewhere else, it's a big planet.
     
  10. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Where? You're a Palestinian - all your wordly goods and the wealth in your orchards has just been bulldozed. Where do you go?
     
  11. JuNie Registered Senior Member

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    Problem is, the Palestinians already agreed on the 1967 borders, but Israel blew them off. And it doesn't help when Benjamin Netanyahu goes around bragging about how civilized and advanced Israel is and how barbaric and uncivilized the surrounding Arab countries are.

    I'm starting to think Israel doesn't want a 2 state solution. In my opinion they're just playing games. They believe God gave them this land and they want it. They believe they have divine right to it. If a solution was truly wanted it would've happened years ago.
     
  12. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    But I do know what you have said. and you have said all of those. I'm sorry you don't like being called out on your terrible statements but tough fucking shit you said them.

    So blow me. don't tell me I don't know what you think when you have made statements making your views on such things clear as day.
     
  13. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    unless of course your jewish than you get to redo a rebellion from 1700 years ago.Your just another ass who thinks you clique should be above the law and suffer no consequences for your actions.

    I'm really tired of this we got ours so fuck you attitude in regards to the palestinians that people who support ISrael have. why is it ok for you to start a war of conquest and illegally steal land but they have to cave to Israel's every fucking whim. your precious Israelis should be treated exactly the same weight they treated the palestinians forced out at gun point.
     
  14. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    funny you were one of the very same people calling helen thomas an anti semite for saying that very same thing about the thieves in Israel.
     
  15. quinnsong Valued Senior Member

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    S.A.M. you ask some valid questions and the situation would be untenable for the average American hell they probably can't wrap their heads around the hopelessness the average Palestinian copes with on a daily basis. What would you like to happen?
     
  16. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Of course, I lived in the US for four years and I asked many Americans the same questions and they were always at a loss because they had never considered the Palestinian POV. They are so willing to blame Palestinian actions on their religion that they never ever ever stop to think why after 40 years of nonviolent demonstration - ie a whole generation growing up under the conditions I described above - Palestinians may simply get tired of living. What would any American do under the same circumstance? Well the Palestinians demonstrated and demonstrated and demonstrated and hell they are still demonstrating. Out of millions of dispossessed people with their millions of demonstrations all that the world sees is the few individuals who take matters in their own hand and blow themselves up. The silent majority that waits for justice is completely invisible - I have never met a more tolerant, a more patient people.

    The same thing I would like for anyone else, including myself. The right to security, equal opportunity and justice. I believe in equal rights for all citizens and hopefully, somewhere in the future, a borderless world.

    Thats the long term view. In the short term, I guess all we can do is raise awareness and help those who are dispossessed in their resistance to oppression
     
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  17. JuNie Registered Senior Member

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    I never knew anything about the situation so I began studying it to get an understanding so I could take a stand. Watched the movie Occupation 101 and read everything I could get my hands on about it and decided that the Israelis weren't the good guys.

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    I don't see how anyone that looks at the facts. Palestinian deaths vs Israeli deaths and think the Israelis are the underdogs in this...
     
  18. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, its surprising the amount of information that is out there if one only knows where to look. Much of my information - and you can check this - is made available through Israelis and Jewish individuals and organisations who have a conscience

    And I am not one of those who believes that you should stay where you are on principle and suffer. All those Palestinians who can move have already done so. They get shuttled between refugee camps and have very strict restrictions on where they are allowed to go. Even those who go to study or work abroad do so on the understanding that their "resident status" may be revoked at any time by Israel making it not only impossible for them to return but also meet their families. I saw a terrible documentary about relatives meeting after 40 years over a barbed wire fence. Those who had not heard from their children or relatives stood there with old photos looking for any information on what might have happened to them. I can't imagine that kind of isolation. Who would choose this? But its not so simple, when you are suddenly demoted from a householder with a self sufficient family, to a stateless refugee in poverty with no home or place to go to, to find options that are both financially possible or acceptable.
     
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  19. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    No body but the most deranged thinks that Israel is an underdog or ever has been. people merely think Israel( zinists/jews) had the right to start a war of conquest to ethnicaly cleanse palestine. look at spider goat who make comments about the palestinian that if said about the Israelis illegally in palestine( most of them) would have a hissy fit. all Israel supporters have a gross double standards that reveals bigotry, a sense of entitlement( or believing said thing is ok), and a condecending attitude toward others they dislike.



    I'm still waiting for of these poor excuses for a human beings to answer why is it ok for their side to remove people that had been living their for hundreds of years and move in to homes that any thinking human being would know they don't legally own and prevent the legal native resident from returning but not ok for the legal residents to kick out the thieves illegally living in their homes and finally get their right to self determiantion.
     
  20. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Fishing in Gaza:

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    An Israeli naval ship sprays a Palestinian fishing boat with a water cannon off the coast of the Gaza Strip. (Photo: David Schermerhorn)​

    source:New project seeks to protect Gaza fishermen’s rights and livelihood by Adam Horowitz on April 18, 2011

     
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  21. chimpkin C'mon, get happy! Registered Senior Member

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    Yeppers. Lying cheating, stealing, killing.

    Our tax dollars at work.

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  22. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    I propose the No State Solution.

    All houses in Israel and Palestine should be abandoned and their materials sold for scrap. All residents should be deported to the USA or country of their choice, citizenship guaranteed. The land will be administered by a small select group of people from both sides and defended by the UN (sacred sites in particular). The only activity will be tourism and archeology. It will be a protected wilderness area.
     
  23. yaracuy Banned Banned

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    I agree no fly this should include sending rockets from Gaza into Israel

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