Socialism: Maybe not such a bad idea?

How many anarchists does it take for the world to stop saying anarchy is chaos? Apperently more than one.

 

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I have to admit I only read into about half way of page 3 and am too damn stoned to continue staring at the words on the screen so I decided to post a general response. NUMBER ONE: I would like to clear up some peoples mistaken idea of anarchists believe that "anarchy" means. First off, we are not a group of only young white american males who are pissed off at their parents. The vast majority of the revolutionaries shown in America are, however, which (because of our lovely media) has created this stero-type. Secondly, do you guys really think theres a group stupid enough to literally want CHAOS and that for a political ideology that has been around for thousands of years dont you guys think that at least a little thought was put into it? Believe it or not, we have a legitimate plan and idea for how the world and human kind works together. Nothing we propose is all that radical, and if you listen to our arguments, they may actually begin to piece together and make sense. But this thread isnt about anarchy, so to continue. NUMBER TWO: I see many people on here have brought up the ol' red scare right wing bullshit of either "i dont want to be taken care of, everyones looking for a handout from the government, or something about communism and its evil authoritarian plot to take over the world." Well, that last one is more of the tea parties mission statements. Firstly, IM A FUCKING ANARCHIST. Do you really think I<---- thats right me, 16 year old know it all dumbfuck uneducated inexperienced anarchist revolutionary that is opposed to ALL STATE interaction or existence REALLY WANTS THE GOVERNMENT TO OWN ANYTHING? Cmon, have some common sense. Infact communism calls for a "stateless and classless society" so lets do a little thinking here. Fascism has been apparent in many "communist" countries, but the evils here are the exact thing that I am against, statism, fascism, nationalism. Where else can you find these three evils? In American capitalism. So obviously ANY economic system can be fucked up if the government has the power to fuck it up. The problem isnt communism, its government. Why? Because government will ALWAYS take any chance it can to take advantage of the human element in economics to gain them wealth and power. Both capitalists and communists in a fascist nation do this. However, pure, democratic communism in no way shape or form calls for any type of centralized or authoritarian state. If you have any other questions, comments, concerns or simply want me to respond to a post on this thread please PM me or simply respond to this post.

 

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I don't believe I said people had to suffer so others could be successful. In fact, given that I live in the UK with social care, unemployment benefit, and free healthcare, I kinda think that capitalism and socialism work well together, and nobody need suffer from the conditions you describe so others can prosper.

But because some people need aid, does that negate that wealth is a mark of success? What would the poor do, if wealth were not redistributed to them? Don't fall into the trap thinking they'd have a bigger slice of the pie, 'cos without entrepreneurs the pie would never get made in the first place.

 

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Listen kid,... if there were anarchy, there'd be nothing to stop people doing as they please. You would get ass raped by someone and all your possessions stolen in a blink of an eye.

 

Sure pal.

 

ROFL!

A plan? A FUCKING plan? Just how the screaming FUCK do you enact a plan that involves more than a few people, without leadership?

Ever tried organising people? Managed people? Even been out on a night out with a large group of friends? People want to do different things, but no, you have a PLAN and suddenly, spontaneously, without guidance or coercion, people are just going to fall in line and follow it?

You are so naive. Lay off the reefer, it's frying your brain child.

 

I'd do it just to teach you a lesson kid.

 

Sure pal. Youre right. Im glad you understand anarchism more than I do. You really do show how much you really understand. And just a little side note, some old ass loser calling me "kid" and "child" on the internet really is just a sad site. Dont you have a wife, husband, kids, a cat? Something to go do besides post trolling comments about something you havent even taken the time to understand and then make personal attacks about my poor fried naive brain? I mean really, cmon, maybe I get raped in the ass but at least I dont talk out of mine.

 

Hmm I believe thats called A.) pedophila (you should really get that checked out, maybe check yourself into some kind of clinic? and B.) Youre mommy didnt love you very much did she?

 

Now, if you have something i dont know... intellegent to say or atleast something that has to do with the thread please say it as Im done going back and forth with a creeper whos into 16 year old boys on the internet.

 

Sorry, who calls it that under anarchy? It's pure libertarianism child. Nobody to label to judge. This is what you don't seem to grasp. You have the attitude it's wrong, because that's the law where you live. When the cops disappear, what you gonna do?

 

This thread is not about anarchy or anarchism.

 

Given I'm older, with more life experience, of course I do.

So, please, enlighten me. How you going to get everyone to follow your plan?

I'd do it to your face too. When you move out of your mom's house, and can vote, I'll stop.

You are a child, and you are frying your little mind with reefer. This is just fact, not an attack.

Really? Because I don't think you've ever lead or managed people. You simply don't understand that people need leaders.

 

Youre SO right

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Its so nice that now a days, people who cant even see you or hear your voice can know you SO WELL! And its amazing how you already know my understanding of leadership. Its also amazing that you know that I live in my mommys house (funny thing, ha, i dont) oh! And its incredible that you understand anarchism SO WELL that you just told an anarchist "when you can vote"..... incredible how your age alone gives you so much wisdom. I cant wait to be your age. It must be so nice being so smart.

 

Really?

If that's the case you should perhaps not mention it yourself.

You also said:

My, how gracious of you! (who is 'we' btw?) you the elected spokesperson for al the disaffected now?

 

Blah blah blah.

How do you get people to follow your plan? Stop stalling and answer.

 

lol dude seriously, im done waisting my effort talking to you. Have a great day

 

Simple answer? Education and slow change. Anarchy doesnt (well, shouldnt) happen over night. It must be a collective choice. Now, this thread is about Socialism as a better system opposed to Capitalism. This thread is NOT about anarchism, so please either start a thread, pm me, or drop the subject.

 

Who is, under the current system, going to start teaching people differently?

Also, you don't seem to grasp that socialism and capitalism are NOT exclusive.

I live in the UK. We have a free market economy, and social programmes. Someone needs to make the wealth you want to redistribute. That capitalists. It is redistributed using socialist methodologies. The latter has nothing to spend without the former. You need to grasp that before you espouse any political dictum.

 

He isn't talking out of his ass. like all anarchists you ignore reality and paint an ideolistic picture than completely ignores human nature. anarchy benefits thugs and those with power no one else. it makes you lose rights not gain them.