The Creation Museum

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  1. superstring01

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    So, you can't answer any of the points? Typical and expected.

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    superstring01, Jun 20, 2011
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  3. synthesizer-patel

    synthesizer-patel Sweep the leg Johnny! Valued Senior Member

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  5. Kennyc

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    Must be from Colorado Springs....the Family Values capital of the world.
     
    Kennyc, Jun 20, 2011
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  7. wellwisher

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    The atheists have not yet advanced beyond being a parasite to religion. Without religion to dump on, there does not appear to be much in atheism, worth discussing, that can keep the attention of new recruits and inspire them to rise above. The hostility and negativity toward religion is at least exciting. Without it, atheism would be a boring. Isn't the best excitement for atheism in the religious battles?

    This negative atheist approach, used for recruitment, actually has a logical explanation. It works the same way as mudslinging does in politics. If someone can not rise above, by offering ideas that can inspire its members, you can still create the illusion of rising, if you can create holes for others to stand in; lower their floor.

    This hostility hole will appear to lower the religious opponent's height, allowing the atheist recruits to appear to get taller, without atheism making them rise. Without the mud and parasite approach to help digs holes for religion to stand in, it would become obvious that atheism will not allow you to rise above in actual reality. It only works with the hole illusion. This magic is what makes atheism a religion. It is based on irrational games and the magic of relative reference.

    Politians use mud slinging for the same reasons. Most are entertainers playing the role of statesmen. Since they can not rise above, since they are only actors, they need to lower the floor on the other guy. The other guys needs to sink in the mud, allowing them to use this relative reference, like magic, so they appear to rise above. In the political season, the more mud slung by a person, the less qualified they are. They need the other person to sink very low, before they can even appear to rise. This is a good litmud test for incompetence.

    The atheists are not rational enough to see hw this recruitment magic trick works. Even their top leaders need to digs holes for religion so they can appear taller. The magic trick does fool most atheists, which is why is it a form of religion based on faith in this magic.

    I used to be an atheist when I was younger. Without the negativitytoward religion it got boring. Try a fully positive discussion of atheism and see if you can rise above, without digging holes for others. It will seem very boring and one will look elsewhere.

    In all due respect, I am also dealing in the mud, to show you how the trick works. Sometimes it is easier to see when someone else does it. The urge will be to make mud for me to sink too, so nobody rises.
     
    wellwisher, Jun 21, 2011
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  8. spidergoat

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    Wow, you mean atheism isn't a religion? Atheism isn't a goal unto itself, it was never meant to be, it's simply a position on god and the supernatural. It's a prerequisite to knowledge.
     
    spidergoat, Jun 21, 2011
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  9. Kennyc

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    Ha! What a joke your post is wellwisher(really?) Religion is the parasite of humanity. Atheism is the NORMAL condition until infected. Yep you are infected.
     
    Kennyc, Jun 21, 2011
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  10. yaracuy

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  11. Kennyc

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    Yes. By virtue of the fact that it is the normal condition. NO ONE is born believing in gods, particularly not in a particular god. That belief only comes after they have been infected and brainwashed.
     
    Kennyc, Jun 21, 2011
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  12. Fraggle Rocker

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    Perhaps you are splitting philosophical hairs here, but since this is one of the science subforums and not the philosophy subforum, we should stick with consensus definitions. The consensus definition of "religion" includes belief in a supernatural power. Philosophies like Buddhism (at least the American variety) do not satisfy this definition.
    These are the rules of the website, not mine. Repeating a falsified assertion, without rebutting the falsification, comprises intellectual dishonesty, which is the worst form of trolling in a place of science and scholarship. Trolling is a bannable offense on SciForums. If you wish to rebut my challenge, then please do so.
    From history. Every two, three or four generations, one or more sects of Abrahamic religionists rise up in an orgy of violence and attempt to kill everyone who does not agree with their own model of the supernatural universe. They obliterated two entire civilizations: Aztec and Inca. They fought a war among themselves for 100 years, which we now euphemistically refer to as "The Reformation." The Christians of Europe ganged up on the Jews, the smallest Abrahamist sect, and made antisemitism one of the defining traits of Christendom for 1500 years, culminating in the Holocaust, their failed attempt to literally exterminate them. Today the Christians have re-launched the Crusades and are bombing Muslim nations on the flimsiest of pretexts, while the various Muslim sects are fighting among themselves. In aggregate, the Christians, Muslims and Jews are poised to start a Nuclear Holy War which may actually destroy civilization.
    You commit the universal error of blaming the evils of communism on atheism. Its slogan "To each according to his needs, from each according to his ability," is an elaboration of Karl Marx's favorite passage in the Book of Acts. Communism is in fact an offshoot of Christianity and could never have existed without the impetus of Christianity and its irrational fairy tales. Can you imagine any self-respecting Jew, Hindu or Confucian inventing an economic philosophy based upon the absurd notion that what a man takes from civilization does not have to correlate with what he gives back?
    You make the same mistake. Do not blame communism on atheism or atheists. It is a Christian philosophy that has been taken to an extreme. "Give everybody what they want and don't give a damn about where it's all supposed to come from. Let God worry about that."
    Ironically and unfortunately, this is most probably not true. The legends, images, rituals and other motifs that comprise religion occur in nearly every culture in nearly every era. This makes them what Jung calls archetypes, elements of our collective unconscious. Jung died before DNA was well understood, but we would now restate his archetypal theory by saying that archetypes are pre-programmed into our synapses by our DNA, and that we are thus born with them. This is the reason that religious faith is so strong: something that we have known since birth feels more true than any knowledge we acquire later through reasoning and learning.

    Jung pointed out that all of the traditional polytheistic religions have the same set of 23 gods, and just give them different names. Abrahamism compresses this rich model of the human spirit into a pathetic one-dimensional model in which everything in the universe is crammed onto a linear scale of good versus evil, but still (according to Jung) Abrahamism retains many of the fundamental archetypes of all religions.

    Apparently this instinctive set of beliefs was passed down genetically. Most instincts are survival traits, such as running away from a large animal with both eyes in front of its face. Others are more difficult to understand. Perhaps religion was a survival trait in an era whose dangers we can't imagine. Or perhaps it's an accidental mutation passed down through one of our species's genetic bottlenecks.

    But in any case it does, in fact, appear to be natural. Yet that's no excuse to put up with it. Many behaviors we inherited from our Stone Age ancestors are natural, but we've managed to transcend them and build a civilization.
     
    Fraggle Rocker, Jun 21, 2011
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  13. Kennyc

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    That is simply wrong. There is no proof of the collective unconscious. It was Jungs theory, but nothing supports the theory. There are however many physical aspects of our brains and psyches (which I won't go into) that provide a fruitful place to make up gods, but we ARE NOT born with them.
     
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  14. billvon

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    Which is accurate as saying that religious moderates have not advanced beyond being parasites on the TRULY religious extremists.

    Since there are far more religious types attacking atheists than there are atheists attacking religion, one could make the argument that hostility and negativity are more a part of the religious side of things.

    Religions have popes, bishops, mullahs, rabbis - a whole panoply of hierarchical leadership created to defend their beliefs and attempt to spread those beliefs to others. Atheists don't. They don't really need to.
     
    billvon, Jun 21, 2011
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  15. gmilam

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    Why yes, it does. We are tired of self righteous pricks telling us we are going to burn in hell. Simple as that.
     
    gmilam, Jun 21, 2011
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  16. yaracuy

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    Since you don't believe in hell so why do you pit attention to that .

    Same as I don't believe in your B.S. about primordial soup , I am not attacking you belief. You are happy your way , let us be happy our way.
     
    yaracuy, Jun 21, 2011
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  17. yaracuy

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    ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

    Is not Dawkins your priest ? were he sells his B.S. to make himself wealthy
    does he contribute to charity, or just enlarge his followers ?
     
    yaracuy, Jun 21, 2011
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  18. superstring01

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    Dawkins is a scientist, who proves his claims through the scientific method. No faith in allah-the-the-murderer needed.

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    superstring01, Jun 21, 2011
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  19. billvon

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    Nope, just a scientist.

    Nope. He is far from rich; most bishops probably have a higher net worth than he does.

    The Richard Dawkins Foundation for Reason and Science contributed tens of thousands of dollars to the Missouri flood relief effort via the Red Cross. Some other atheist charities who helped:

    Partners in Non-Believers Giving Aid
    Atheist Alliance International
    Atheists Helping the Homeless
    Atheists United
    Council of Ex-Muslims of Britain
    Freedom From Religion Foundation
    James Randi Educational Foundation
    Military Association of Atheists and Freethinkers
    New Humanist magazine
    Rationalist Association
    Rationalist International
    Secular Student Alliance
    Skeptics in the Pub
    The British Humanist Association
    The International Humanist and Ethical Union
    The Reason Project
    The Skeptic Magazine
    The Skeptics Society

    Why would he do that? Are they too skinny?
     
    billvon, Jun 21, 2011
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  20. spidergoat

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    Who cares what he does with his money? I don't.
     
    spidergoat, Jun 21, 2011
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  21. gmilam

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    Telling someone they are going to burn in hell is a judgment on a person's character. It's saying that they are an evil person based entirely on their non-belief of your fantasy. It's explicitly claiming you are a better human being based solely on what you believe. :bugeye:
     
    gmilam, Jun 21, 2011
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  22. yaracuy

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    Happen to be I don't threaten any body with hell , nor I think that I am better then any body. I believe that in the eyes of God we are all equal even you as an atheist or whatever
     
    yaracuy, Jun 21, 2011
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  23. yaracuy

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    ??????????????????????????????????

    How do you know that he have sent thousands of dollars ? are blabbering or you are part of his team ?
    Wow you seams to be an ordain atheist ? Is you title a bishop among atheists ?
     
    yaracuy, Jun 21, 2011
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