Another Reason To Attack Iraq: N. Korean MiGs Intercept U.S. Plane

Here's a country that’s just begging to rumble, but we turn the other cheek. Why? Possibly because:

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haha
nice thread title
very onion-esque

 

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Too "over the top" do you think?
I was feeling rather self-satisfied with it.

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All perfectly legal interceptions, but regardless, this will cause more Americans to thirst for mass-murder: "How dare those gooks have the nerve to fly right up alongside us in our sky?" Let's hope the NKs don't have any cowboys like China's Wong Wei. Any incidents like that while America is so keyed up and ready to go "ballistic" would not be good.

How did that zany dictator learn to make us look so stupid? Or is it just getting to be child's play provoking stupid American tricks?

 

The thing is its not provoking anything. America don't want to fight NK for some reason, this will just make them madder at iraq.

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It's not only easy to make America look stupid but if you don't bother and sit back America will do it for you and make itself look stupid anyway so Kim was just saving them the trouble tbh.

They wont attack NK at the mo cause they know China and many other countries realise the strategic importance of NK, especially China as its bordering.
They will go a long way to stop war on NK by the US and the fact that SK will get nicely cooked if NK blows up and the fact he is more likely to aquire nukes and god forbid even be in a situation where he can fight back, America sure as hell wouldn't win a ground war in NK i dont think.
Basically they may go for NK sooner or later as the opertunity is there and it gives them a position to bully China without saying or doing anything but i dont think he will risk it just yet.
Kim is taking the piss and he knows he can get away with it and needs the attention, he has already offered and end to this by saying in return for a simple decloration that the USA will not attack him he will disarm and stop his nuclear program, simple yes? no not really.
America are saying no we want Multilateral talks with several other parties involved which of course kim wont agree to so...

 

This cat and mouse recon stuff has been going on with Russia, China and N Korea for 50+ years. Nothing new here.

 

Nothing new maybe but unfortuantly old news or events given the the political light that is shone on them at any given time can completely change the meaning and consequence of an event ^_^.

 

No one really wins in war. But I think you're wrong. Times have changed since the last Korean War. Besides, we've been there. We know what to expect.

The US Gov't has a strategy in place. It will not benefit N Korea either.

 

True and true.
I will continue this battle of wits opinions and quotes when i get home.
See you in an hour.


Moderator Edit – no need to quote the entire previous post simply to agree with it

 

Notice how NK is standing up to the US.

NK, is standing toe to toe against the US. The incident only highlights the US in the role of a bully and embarrasses the US at the same time. Kim is perhaps worst than Saddam as a dictator/Tyrant chrushing the ordinary peoples of his country under his heel quite unlike Saddam. In fact I don't think Saddam has made a large number of his people slaves, even children in NK have been enslaved. Funny, if Saddam had done anything remotely like what Kim had done, the war would be on now and the jets would have been shot down by scrambled fighter jets.

 

I agree with you completely Amp. Here's why:

Unlike NK, Saddam isn't much of a challenge militarily. What does this mean? It's easier to waltz into Iraq and fix it. NK will not be the same. There is more to lose on both sides (US and China) in NK. The US wants to do something about NK, and they are. Because they are using a different approach doesn't mean anything. NK will be resolved because NK is not only influenced by the US, but China also. China won't want to risk having American troops that close to their borders...again. They'll pressure NK if it gets that bad. If China does nothing, then you'd better pick sides because that means China is looking to expand her empire as well.

 

N.Korean planes trail US spy plane

[url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/2817029.stm[/url]

What does everyone think?

I don't think we, the US, should take it as an insult - it was over "international waters" so says america, and if that's the case, then N.Korea has a right to be there too, right? Also, N.Korea could have shot down the plane but didn't. That has to show something right?

I just hope that Mr Bush does not use this "incident" as an excuse to start up thing with N.Korea again...

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Thanks Vakemp,

That was the gist of my post, but I wouldn't call it strange if China tells Kim it has his back.(Slang for China would back up NK) Should China take such a posture, the US would be extremely wise to back down while trying not to lose face.

 

Too much Doonesbury

Okay, I promise I'll try to stop citing so much Doonesbury, but the thing is that Trudeau's cartoons have been a tremendous companion to me, especially the last sixteen or so years that I've read it regularly.

But again, as people have pointed out:

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Doonesbury, February 15, 2003

The topic article mentions nuclear fire, VAKEMP has pointed out that Iraq is less challenging, and I think Trudeau makes a good point about Americans and war: we're "sanitized" at present. I was born during the Vietnam conflict. War is something that happens on the news and in video games. The people of the United States are largely unprepared to see stacks of body bags come home. CNN doesn't have enough hours to cover all of the returning remains in a tough war. The present conflict in Iraq holds the potential for the solemn footage of two or three caskets lined up beneath the tail end of a military cargo plane, decked in wreath and flag--a poignant moment to share with the kids: Those men sacrificed for your freedom.

It is a different picture than soldiers saw in WWII, and a vastly different picture than the average American saw. We see earthquake footage with more bodies in it than Americans will tolerate in a war. Engaging North Korea would test that tolerance from day one.

It could be that Bush is merely superstitious: A son of a political dynasty selected to lead the most powerful nation in history at the advent of the third millennium after his Savior standing against a malevolent power in the Far East considering the possibility of raising the fires of judgment from their silos.

Tread carefully, indeed.

Even a nuclear disaster might do okay for Americans; it would seem surreal and cinematic, like something straight out of Hollywood. The dead would be vapor, not chunks and pieces in bags and boxes spread out for the evening news. Americans could deal with that psychologically, I think. Our war-hawks have never seen our big bombs in action, and they've been itching for it for years.

Iraq is a PR war. North Korea is a problem Bush would rather avoid dealing with.

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NK having china "get their back" isn't as black and white as that. China is a country in disarray, there is no way ALL of china would ever agree on anything. The best NK could do(and probably what they will do) is scout china for troups, alot of troups, but no real military intelligence. Despite its size, NK could completely take over china if they wanted to.

 

Athough they has been a low priority, and are not particularly suited to a first-strike senario, China does have their two million men under arms, and have the world's third-largest nuclear weapons arsenal. They are also expected to field ICBMs with multiple independently targeted warheads (MIRVs) by 2005 (if not sooner). I doubt they would hesitate to use them.

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Goofyfish:

NK or China?

Where'd you get the info?

 

Info is from Jane's Defense Weekly, but it is a paid-subscription service.
You can, however, find some very good information at the NTI website.

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North Korea could get more than 2 million men and most of them would be FROM china, but the army for all intents and purposes would be north korean and like I said they could take china. They wouldn't but they could.