Okay, war is stupid, but sometimes it seems inevitable for various reasons out of the control of everyday people like us. Whatever reasons for and against have already been argued until people here are blue in the face, so I have a different slant. What do you think can be done to stop the war from even happening? Personally, I think if saddam wired nukes up to all this oil wells and threatened to blow them up as soon as the US struck, that may have some sort of effect.
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Maybe we can stop this "silly war" by getting the brutal dictator of Iraq to agree to go into exile and allow the oppressed people of Iraq to form a representative government? Saddam Hussein is a murderer, he's undertook genocide against his Kurdish citizens, persecutes his shiite citizens and rules by torture and fear. I believe if Saddam refuses to step away from power this potential war isn't silly at all. In any case, regardless of your "silly notion" Hoodlum I hope you decide to stick around. Trust me, your's is the prevailing opinion.. your among lots of misguided friends.
Spookz; he answer to his own question was very silly, but it still is an interesting question. My own silly answer would be for the american left to all suddenly act enthusiastic about the war, and show a huge amount of support in bush's decision making. This would frighten bush and the conservatives into doubting themselves. Right now the ball seems to be in suddam's court, the US is gonna attack, and the UN won't be able to stop them. so my serious answer would be for suddam to realise that he has no chance in hell of getting out of this situation alive, and fleeing to another country asking for sanctuary.
I didn't ask what you thought about my answer, just what you think can be done. Oh thanks also for the interesting replies :- Faith restored. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
While he was killing, murdering and gassing his kurdish and shiatee population, guess who was backing him all along??????? USA. Now you will say, so what? Big deal!, all we did gave him... Anthrax, vx gas, and nerve gas and we backed him all along the 80s while he was a bad and evil guy. I guess you forgot your own history. So, who did the greater evil? the one who finance it and give the means and materials to conduct the evil and looked away while he was doing it ? or sadaam? Question you never wana answered.
567, read your history book: In 1963, the Baath Party assassinated General Qassim. Hussein returned to Iraq and became an interrogator and torturer for the Baath Party. The party went through various upheavals, and Hussein was imprisoned, yet eventually, in 1966, he became Secretary-General of the party with the help of his cousin, General Ahmad Hassan al-Bakr. In 1968, Bakr's faction of the Baath Party seized power, and Hussein became Deputy Chairman of the Revolutionary Command Council. This put him in charge of internal Iraqi security and gave him the number-two position in the Baath Party. By 1973, Hussein was vice president of Iraq under President Bakr. Throughout the 1970s, Hussein consolidated his power. He placed many of his own family members and people from his hometown in important positions in the Iraqi government and military. Family and tribal connections are crucial in Iraq, and Hussein used these ties to his advantage throughout his political career. He also utilized criminals to torture and murder people he perceived as threats. In 1979, President Bakr resigned under pressure from Hussein, who then became president. Immediately after his succession, Hussein called a Baath Party meeting and had all of his opposition systematically murdered. As president, Hussein continued to reinforce his power base by enlarging security forces and employing family members in the government. One 1984 analysis indicated that 50 percent of Iraqis were either employed by the government or military or had a family member who was -- thus making the population intimately connected to and dominated by Hussein. That is how Saddam came to power. (Link) Moderator Edit – link to source
Aboard Air Force One >Donald Rumsfeld with headphones on, head nodding, toe tapping on the floor< Lets listen in on the music shall we...... It's criminal There ought to be a law Criminal There ought to be a whole lot more You get nothin' for nothin' Tell me who can you trust We got what you want And you got the lust If you want blood, you got it If you want blood, you got it Blood on the streets Blood on the rocks Blood in the gutter Every last drop You want blood, you got it Yes ya have It's animal Livin' in a human zoo Animal The shit that they toss to you Feelin' like a Christian Locked in a cage Thrown to the lions On a second's rage If you want blood, you got it If you want blood, you got it Blood on the street Blood on the rocks Blood in the gutter Every last drop You want blood, you got it Got to you Blood on the rocks Blood on the streets Blood in the sky Blood on the seats If you want blood You got it I want you to bleed for me If you want blood, you got it (until fade out) I knew he liked AC/DC Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
Different people can do different things to stop the war. Everyone should participate in as many demonstrations and marches as they can. Everyone should talk to people they know and explain to them why this war is wrong. Those who can afford to should enage in civil disobediance and direct actions.
i beleeve it was n korean who suppllyd him. dem and the south africaner peoples.what u say? no? yeth?
quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by CounslerCoffee 567, read your history book: Moderator Edit – link to source -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- and what is your piont? *** I said about who supported him all along 80s and who gave him all the weapons of mass desructions. You reply without even reading my post. Better? Moderator Edit – no, not better... rephrasing it indirectly is still insulting
And since the majority of Americans have supported the removal of Hussein in poll after poll after poll.. the childish outbursts of bored kids, freaky leftists and neer-do-wells won't have much of an effect. Honestly, like was said above, this war is a go. Aint no stoppin it without the exile of the Hussein leadership. The only thing most of you have going is the next election. Good luck cuz from every indication it looks like the party catering to the left is in it's death throws...
567, if I choose to not respond to certain parts in your post, then I have that right. I dont feel like digging for links right now, so I did choose to not post about it. Now, read about the transfers that happened in 1980, when the United States supported Iraq in its war against Iran. Different era, different situation. Its like giving a friend a gun right now so that he can point it at his enemy, then later after the enemy is gone he points the gun at you. He was your friend/ally, he's not anymore. Let me quote this article again: "But they did deliver samples that Iraq said had a legitimate public health purpose, which I think was naive to believe, even at the time." Yes, it was naive, but if they say "Hey we want to help cure disease, we need samples!" We say "Sure buddy!" And we ship it off to a UNIVERSITY. Not to a military instillation. As for nuclear weapons? The USA never gave WMD to Iraq, ever. The 1980's were a time for the cold war, we wouldnt of ever given nukes to anyone, not even the French. The USA never gave WMD to Iraq. *EDIT* http://www.photius.com/rogue_nations/biological_us_supplied.html
"The USA never gave WMD to Iraq." OK, Coffee, if you say so, I'm sure all the contradictions must be wrong then: Washington Post: "U.S. Had Key Role in Iraq Buildup" Monterey Institute of International Studies:"Foreign Suppliers to Iraq's Biological Weapons Program" USA Today: "U.S. supplied the kinds of germs Iraq later used for biological weapons" The Independant: "German and US Firms Supplied Arms to Saddam" The Progressive: "Companies Sold Iraq Billions in NBC Weapons Materials"
But Iraq doesn't have WMD. I never said usa gave them wmd. Only bio and chem wepons. No one gave them WMD. They can't hide it either. it is not a cookie, so iraqis can hide it in a closet. To create wmd requires a great infrastructure and no one can hide it unless usa tunred the blind eye like they did for israel. WMD, shouldn't even be part of the question since they don't have any and NK have them and we are not even worry about it. Tadepole I live in india and i care less abotu usa going to destory iraq, but you dare look at my country, you should know we will fry ur ass.
Let me quote some of those articles: Also, I should note (And this may be why you misunderstood) by WMD I mean NUKES. Not chemical/biological weapons. American/German companies, not the government. And that was in 1975 to sometime in the mid 80's. You can hardly hold the current incarnation of America responsible for this. It was a different time, and a different situation. Often things come back to bite you in the ass, this is one of them.
Unfortunately, Even if Saddam and the entire ruling class in Iraq suddenly died. The US (GWB) would still invade multinational oil companies with major stock holders like the Bush family(including the Prez), Cheney, Rumsfeld, ect have staked a lot of money in being able to control the oil in Iraq. The prez is in the best position to reap the benefits of his companies profits. So, with out Saddam the Iraqi people would still be forced to suffer war/genocide.
I think the time to stop this war has come and past. With 200 something thousand armed forces personnel over in the middle east ready to go I think they will act and probably soon, perhaps the new moon which is coming soon, it is the darkest time of the month with our night vision capabilitys. Saddam Hussien in my mind is proven to be someone that Is evil. The Iraqi people in my mind are innocent. It is a shame that many of them are more than likely to die in this conflict. I still to not feel we have justification to do what we are about to undertake. I do not feel that Iraq is a impending threat to our lives in the near future, perhaps to our interests in the middle east. Oil sadly is the lifeblood of our society, it fuels or transportation which is responsible for many things we do to survive, food, clothing, getting to your job is done on oil. Keeping from freezing to death if you are in the north like myself as well. I am no foreign policy expert by any means, and I think war is very much stupid. Can we stop this train? Probably not. Lets just hope it is over fast and a minimum of innocent lives are taken. Perhaps israel and iraq are distined for a nuclear war as well if we let saddam be and he does get a nuclear weapon, who knows. It would be nice to know everything going on in washington behind closed doors, but all we can do is guess.
Flashpoint, you personify the common mentality that there are only 2 choices to be made: Invasion and occupation, or nothing. There are many more options. Many of them actually take into account America's strategic influence. The US occupation of Iraq does not. The ability for the US to carry out successful blitzkrieg is not inquestion. The ability to rule Iraq, which is likely to unravel as Yugoslavia did, and surrounding region that is becoming openly hoste to American influences including several current regimes. A regional popular revolt becomes likely with the presentation of greatly expanding long-term US military deployments to the Middle East. Do not neglect the critical fact that the primary flashpoint that gave rise to al-Qaeda's aggression against the US has been the presence of US troops in Saudi Arabia. Al-Qaeda had little or nothing to do with Iraq pre-war. Post-war it will be their (and other organizations') rallying cry. If you really think that there is a coherent strategy behind the coming war, please take a few minutes confronting the competing informed views and evidence that this splendid little war may likely become a bloody quagmire. Turkey is not considered an exemplary democracy. Yet they have shown exactly how to stop this war. And they have bought the world more time to follow their lead.
