Why do we let people be millionaires or billionaires?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by United for Communism, Aug 7, 2011.

  1. superstring01 Moderator

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    You're leaping to conclusions about a person you only just quasi-met.

    At no point did he advocate any of the nonsense you just regurgitated.

    Your attempt at twisting truths smacks of other well known communists: Mao, Lenin and Stalin.

    And since a massive number of people are inherently lazy and unproductive--as seen from the many ashes of collapsed communist nations--one wonders why you're such a communist.

    Typically, one finds communists of your type in the unemployed line, in the kitchens of McDonald's and other places that are the mark of a general lack of success in life.

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  3. Shogun Bleed White and Blue! Valued Senior Member

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    Life isn't fair, there will always be the strong and the weak, the alpha and the beta.

    Far more important for whom?

    Collective interest is built upon the interests of numerous individuals.

    Money is a reward for work essentially. Money doesn't pop out of nowhere buddy, money is given by others as a reward.

    You are right, the wealthy wouldn't be wealthy without the society giving their wealth as a reward to efforts of others. Every penny is rightfully theirs, save for reasonable taxation which funds government services.

    You don't need 50 grand to live, you need a hell lot more then that to live comfortably.
     
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  5. Shogun Bleed White and Blue! Valued Senior Member

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    OR there could be mass mild starvation.

    The debt was already paid by providing the services for which the people paid for.
     
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  7. United for Communism Marx & Lenin Forward Registered Senior Member

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    They wouldn't have that money without society. It shouldn't even be their choice to donate; they will give whether they like it or not.

    Capitalism advocates it by default.

    Mao and Lenin are in a different class than Stalin; Stalin was in it only for power. Lenin and Mao, on the other hand, were the founders of their respective communist nations and genuinely believed in the cause.

    You mean communists who believe in sharing, compassion, and equality?

    Gee, I must be so evil to believe in these things.
     
  8. superstring01 Moderator

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    Nope. Just uneducated, inexperienced and seriously immature.

    All those niceties have already been attempted through some kind of forced utopia. Millions of Chinese and Russians attest to that failed experiment.

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  9. United for Communism Marx & Lenin Forward Registered Senior Member

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    It isn't that simple; there were, yes indeed, benefits to the communist governments of China and Russia; namely, the overthrow of the established feudal order. If nothing else, that was a great good achieved by the communists.

    Don't forget, Russia was lacking industrialization and the common man in Russia was crushed under the weight of aristocratic landowners and the Tzar. In China, there was rampant imperialism as the different "spheres of influence" were carved out by Japan and the West.

    National determination was a great good achieved by the communists in both of those countries, as well as rapid industrialization.
     
  10. AlexG Like nailing Jello to a tree Valued Senior Member

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    UofC appears to have no knowledge of history at all, but simply parrots outdated propaganda.
     
  11. superstring01 Moderator

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    Now you're being stupid.

    Two of the largest human exterminations in history happened in the USSR and China.

    This also doesn't include forced migrations, destruction of lives, false imprisonment, gulags, the entrenchment of an untouchable power class (a power class you seem to hate).

    You really need to sign off the Internet and do some reading.

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  12. superstring01 Moderator

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    At this point it's just trolling.

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  13. Trippy ALEA IACTA EST Staff Member

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    And yet here they are, donating it freely and willingly, without people having to force their hand.

    Same story for Rockerfeller, and Carnegie.
     
  14. United for Communism Marx & Lenin Forward Registered Senior Member

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    Actually, AlexG is the one with no knowledge of history.

    China WAS being crushed by imperial forces and Russia WAS being crushed by the aristocracy.

    Do you deny this, superstring, or not?
     
  15. AlexG Like nailing Jello to a tree Valued Senior Member

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    Still another hallmark of communism is historical revisionism.
     
  16. superstring01 Moderator

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    Look.

    You're attempting to mix issues.

    There's no doubt that the forces that the communists opposed were negative forces and were terrible to their populations.

    This does not justify the 20 million that Stalin killed or the 30 million that Mao killed.

    If you can't figure that part out, then, as I said before, it's time to go do some reading.

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  17. United for Communism Marx & Lenin Forward Registered Senior Member

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    And yet, I don't recall ever defending Stalin. At all.

    Stalin is the person that ruined the USSR.

    I do, of course, concede that millions died under Mao, but that was mostly due to starvation after the Cultural Revolution and the rapid industrialization; i.e, it was due to ineffective planning, not due to deliberate murder of people (though that might have taken place, in which case I don't defend it).

    I am saying, though, that there were benefits to the communists' rise...namely, land redistribution and the abolition of the feudal systems. These are definitely benefits.
     
  18. superstring01 Moderator

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    No. You are saying those are definitely benefits. That doesn't make it so.

    Why is it, then, that the USSR, in its final days, had to come hat-in-hand to the west to import wheat when it had some of the largest cropland on earth? Know why?

    There was no incentive. People simply stopped working.

    We are biological organisms programmed to seek a personal and familial benefit. Communism denies that and--wholeheartedly--denied humanity to individual desires. Until human beings are re-engineered on a genetic level, communism and humanity are impossible combinations. The Soviets tried to "educate" people to do good for the betterment of the state. See how that worked for them: rusted industries, bread lines, forced labor, trials without jury, torture, police states, 20 million slaughtered in Russia and 30-60 million dead in China.

    The fact that you see human beings as some hive collective is, in and of itself, telling of what your mentality is and where you come from.

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  19. Repo Man Valued Senior Member

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    I'd say it's been so all along. He's blamed tobacco use on capitalism for pity's sake. Capitalism was probably responsible for the K/T extinction event as well. And the black death, Genghis Khan, the Lindbergh kidnapping, and the siege of Masada.
     
  20. United for Communism Marx & Lenin Forward Registered Senior Member

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    Actually, the fact that vicious right wingers like you wish to defend greed and lust for money at all costs is the mentality that is destroying mankind.

    And yes, there is an incentive to work:

    a) benefiting your community
    b) not working = not eating
     
  21. United for Communism Marx & Lenin Forward Registered Senior Member

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    Why else are cigarettes manufactured, except to make a buck on the addicts who smoke them?
     
  22. Repo Man Valued Senior Member

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    Because people want them!
     
  23. superstring01 Moderator

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    Russians smoked in great quantities in the USSR. Chinese still do.

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