Imagine if iraq somehow WON the war...

Discussion in 'World Events' started by Dr Lou Natic, Mar 4, 2003.

  1. Coldrake Registered Senior Member

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    Or it could indicate that a same select group keep starting the same 'bash the US' threads over and over.

    Doesn't the fact that Iraq has ignored countless resolutions count for something?

    Watch Iraq's 'allies' distance themselves from Iraq when the shooting starts.

    The UN is impotent as an organization. It has no power of enforcement without the contribution of troops from member states. Historically, it has had a hard time getting member states to commit troops to peacekeeping ventures, much less for a major war.

    Total the militaries of Europe together, then multiply times 5, and that force still wouldn't be as strong as the US military. Besides, this potential war has divided Europe more than uniting it. France and Germany have the support of Belgium and that is about it.
     
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  3. Bridge Registered Senior Member

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    Coldrake

    Nice to see someone who has enough insight to see past the stacks of cowpies in this thread.

    What I want to do is come back here after the USA drags all the banned chemicals and bio-weapons out of the underground bunkers. Then we can talk about who violated what resolution.
     
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  5. Amp Registered Senior Member

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    Yep Bridge,

    We can start with Israel, then continue with the US, I'm not bashing the US so much as the policy makers the cause the US to do the things that make it the #1 Terrorist... um superpower in the world. Since, Coldrake and you are literate you are likely aware that respectively the US and Israel have ignored/violated more UN resolutions than Iraq. Iraq wasn't convicted... um condemed by the World Court for terrorist activities... the US was and promptly ignored the order to pay reparations to Nicaragua...
    But wait theres more! OBL was created by the CIA .. Um I believe thats a US agency. The US gave Saddam the OK to invade Kuwait then two-faced him even though he had a reason (the Kuwaitees were slant drilling oil from Iraq oil fields). But wait theres more!

    Check this site: http://www.counterpunch.org/

    AND this article:

    http://www.observer.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,905899,00.html
     
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  7. dkb218 Banned Banned

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    Americans by and large are lazy. They'd rather you tell them what's going on in the world than browse a web site containing different views than that of one of the Big media outlets. The agenda of the Bush administration is hammered into american heads 24 hours a day. Mainstream news outlets will not go against Bush. CBS [I think it was CBS} news was pretty much called a tratior to the american people when it aired Suddam the other night and didn't give the Bush administration the right to respond in the same program {well they were given the option but neither GWB nor Powell were willing to debate}.

    We live in time when information is at the tip of ones fingertips yet we seem to the dumbest people ever to live on this planet. We pick sides not knowing the full story. We listen to a person in the White House who can only be discribed as not the sharpest knife in the draw, who wasn't elected, who since coming into office has gutted the surplus, lost jobs, played hell with the economy, etc. yet people still back him.

    To back someone because he is president without questioning his actions or motives - well I say to those people, you are not Americans. You are sheep being led to the slaughter. Americans question. They learn. They find out why things are happenening. They don't take peoples word. They find out for themselves. Sheep are the ones backing this war. The ones who believe everything the newspapers says without question. Believes that saddam and bin laden and palestine are rowing a boat across the ocean with nukes strapped to there backs but also believe that North Korea is not a threat - there just blowing off stream because we hurt there feelings.
     
  8. Coldrake Registered Senior Member

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    So which version of your contradictory view of Americans are we to take as gospel?

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    Can't argue with that. A colleague of mine did the legwork on that International league of Justice case for the Reagan administration's law team, trying to find a precedent showing a legality for mining Managua harbor. There was nothing to be found. Reagan ignored the ruling. An embarrassing moment in US history.
     
  9. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Valued Senior Member

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    Mr G: That's what cheeses me about this war

    That's what cheeses me about this war, Mr G. The United States has chosen to pursue the lose-lose option. We have not tried all options that would avoid American combat engagements. Congress has approved money--during the Clinton administration--to help Iraqis topple Saddam Hussein. The largest number I've seen so far suggests that we've used just under 3.1% of that money ($3m out of an allocated $97m).

    And yes, it does annoy me to hear Bush lying, talking about "peace", on a daily basis. The Bush Doctrine is aggressive; the administration wants this war, and has sought to use 9/11 as an excuse for it ever since the Pentagon was hit.

    :m:,
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  10. hypewaders Save Changes Registered Senior Member

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    ******** Brief applause for dkb's, and Tiassa's posts

    coldrake:"An embarrassing moment in US history"

    Stand by for many more in rapid succession

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  11. Hoodlum Registered Member

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    Doesn't the fact that your head is full of lies bother you? If you get world news where you are you will see that the US is just as bad at following UN resolutions as any other imperial dictatorship. I could say something about broadening horizons and looking outside the square but until you find your own way there you're just gonna think thats a load of codswallop.

    And what makes you think the opposite won't happen? The last gulf war? Think about the big picture and the threat the US poses to Iraq and its allies. This time its serious. If you can just pleeease look at some alternative news broadcasts with direct reports from foreign countries, as opposed to something read from a sheet of paper on a newsdesk in New York, which has been edited by someone for maximum impact on the public and of course sucks up to the government. Its called "propaganda".

    We'll wait and see

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    Total the militaries of Europe together and you kick the arse of the US. Take out your atlas and have a look at some figures. Population density, Wealth distribution, Resource distribution are the things you need to look at. When a continent goes to war (divided or seperated), all the resources go into that war and sorry US but europe has more resources and more people. That means they can make more guns and more troops and bombs and cruise missiles.

    Of course it all means shit if someone decides to launch nukes at random targets.
     
  12. nukem Banned Banned

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    That would mean you would not be aboule to be with loved ones.
    and if you left them alone they would be rapte inmagen that.

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  13. Dr Lou Natic Unnecessary Surgeon Registered Senior Member

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    Yeah but totalling the militaries of europe is a fairly crazy idea. You mean ALL the countries in europe? Most of them hate eachother more than they hate america, despite what russia have been publically saying lately, I believe their best friend is still america, if worst came to worst then they are going with america, same with germany, same with england(although, with about ninety percent of the uk hating america the way they do you never know), france is the most cowardly country in history, its scared of everyone, its even scared of mexico, thats the only reason it has the bomb, because its frightened, it will take any measure possible to avoid a conflict of any kind, and thats about it isn't it? Oh estonia might be mad, who cares, america is in no real danger from europe. If some super influential dictator arose and starting forming a huge anti-america organisation with armies world wide, then america might be in trouble, but then again... aren't america friends with aliens?
     
  14. Mr. G reality.sys Valued Senior Member

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    Hell, the UN is just as bad at following UN resolutions.

    "....serious consequences...."

    Right.

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    Not for Saddam. Not for Israel. Not for the US. Not for Milosevic. Not for Rhwanda. Not for no one.

    The UN is kaffeeklatch, not a doer.
     
  15. Coldrake Registered Senior Member

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    What lies would those be? Which resolutions are you referring to? Refusal to sign a treaty is not the same as not following a resolution.

    Probably right. I likely will think what you say is a 'load of codswallop'.

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    I can get online same as you. Gives me the same access to worldwide news links as you. Now. Give me a quick run down of those important Iraqi allies.


    Indeed we will.

    How about you totalling up those European nations that might actually be willing to stand up to the US right now, 'cause last time I looked, most of them were backing the US. Meanwhile, I've got an idea. You find me some figures that show that Europe has greater wealth and better resources for fighting a war. Also give me a comparison of US and European heavy industry and tell me which one can crank up war material production quicker and at a higher output. And while you're at it hop on Jane's website and check out military capabilities of the European nations and the US.

    Would this be more of that...what did you call it? Codswallow?

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    Indeed.
     
  16. Psycho-Cannon Home grown and Psycho Registered Senior Member

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    Iraq can win the war: it's people/political leadership/military themselves can depose Saddam Hussein, hand him over to the ICC, and then everyone can go home happy that war never actually had to begin.

    Iraq would win, the US would win, the UN would win. Everyone could say they won -- even Saddam: he'd win by staying alive to fight another day.
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    I dont think that would help the US made it clear they want regiem change but they also made it pretty clear they only want the guy in power to be someone THEY are happy with.

    Don't get me wrong it WOULD make it nigh on impossable for the US to go ahead and attack anyway and certainly be hard pressed to bully any "allies" into toe for it but i still wouldn't be supprised if they at least tried or threw a tantrum about it.
    And i think Sadam knows very well "exile" isn't a very safe place even if he gets assurances.
    he'd dissapear within weeks.
     
  17. Flashpoint Registered Member

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    I wonder how much damage a smallpox release in the united states would do.
     
  18. nukem Banned Banned

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    That would suck.But if they did win everone in the military would be killed and that is half of our populson.
     
  19. Dr Lou Natic Unnecessary Surgeon Registered Senior Member

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    Hmmmm, good question, I don't think it would get TOO out of hand, the afflicted would probably quickly be isolated from the rest of the population. A saturation biological-bombing nation wide might be a different story but Iraq don't really have the resources, North Korea on the other hand....

    Oh wait, they like nukes

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  20. Amp Registered Senior Member

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    Coldrake, Mr. G, others with the same view,

    There is a site called COUNTERPUNCH that gives info about those things you would rather not hear about not the US(peoples) but the US (policy makers). Read Noam Chomsky he has done his best to tell the truth about US aggressions and atrocities. Go to a site called Gaurdian. ABC, NBC, Fox, the NY Times, The Daily News, The NY Post and most major media outlets in the US are brown-noseing up to the current admin. and spouting propaganda mixed with lies.
     
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  22. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    Hum very nice hypothetical topic here... can't say what would happen mainly because it won't. The thing in common with this fictional event and reality is that the USofA is screwed and will soon go the way of Rome. My country is at this time ruled by the evil party with the idiot party is taken second place. things are only going to go down hill from here and I can assure you that within 50(20 is still very likely) years the EU and/or some Asian counties will soon out produces the US in all areas of economic development. As for my governments massively over size killing machine of a military: that may remain a problem for much longer.
     
  23. Amp Registered Senior Member

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    He is not the only who writes there and

    his personal life hasn't much to do with what is written, also he's co-editor.
     

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