Totalitarianism

Discussion in 'Religion Archives' started by Bob T, Oct 10, 1999.

  1. Bob T Registered Member

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    Monotheism is the only form of totalitarianism that exists. Its purpose is to give ONE answer to all question on all subjects at all times in all places for all people under all conditions etc, etc. Religionists have two stock answers: god or "we are not supposed to know". If this were not so there would be no need for blind submission to totalitarian religious tenets. To reduce the manifold cosmos to a single idea is the very essence of totalitarianism.
     
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  3. Searcher Registered Senior Member

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    Bob T,

    If the purpose of monotheism is to give ONE answer to all questions, then I would say it has failed miserably. If you ask any one question of 10 monotheists, you will probably end up with 10 answers. We don't agree on much of anything!
     
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  5. Lori Registered Senior Member

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    Where did the "we are not supposed to know" come from????? I would have to argue that we are supposed to know, and if we did, then we would. I would also argue that if science progressed to fruition, that we would know. It's just that some of us are intelligent enough to know based upon experiences that are not yet explained by science. That is, by faith. I guess what I'm saying is that if science were to continue to progress, that eventually you would end up scientifically proving what the faithful already know. Which happens to be the exact opposite premise that Boris is always making, that science explains God away. No, it just explains how God does things.

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  7. cats Registered Senior Member

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    I agree with lori in that science is trying to find out how God does things. I think God may have created the universe and other races
    on other planets and then us and may have let
    the natural laws to take over and operate in creating other stars and etc., but keep a watch on things. The aliens may be doing what they think is right in trying to help us and may have egos which gave them the idea they are gods and the people back then thought of them that way. God could be in another dimension or plane and guiding us from there.
    The questions keep piling up and the answers keep changing. The church leaders are human and anything which threatens their power or lessens church membership must be stopped by words or death. The churches really "obey" the ten commandents as long as it helps them.
     
  8. Lori Registered Senior Member

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    Cats,

    I'm in no way suggesting that anyone should blindly follow any "religious" leader besides Jesus. But my friend, the things that you are suggesting are totally contradicted in the Bible, which is God's word. It was written by the Holy Spirit. Read it, and pray for guidance. Logically, what you're saying about aliens doesn't make sense if you hear what the word is telling of. Ok so theoretically, if the aliens were presenting themselves as other biological beings like we are, I'd be squaukin' a different story; but they're not. Check into it. It's way too weird and coincedental not to be directly referring to end times events. They are not our space buddies, ok? How much do you want to bet that when there is a mass disappearance of Christians around the world that the aliens will say that they took us to another planet, because we were too close minded to evolve with the rest of you who are left? How much? Not that I'll be here to collect or anything, I'm just hoping that you will remember this conversation after I'm gone.

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  9. Flash Registered Senior Member

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    Lori,
    FRUITS..FRUITS...FRUITS!!!!!! You will KNOW
    by their FRUITS!!!!!!! Love, peace, joy,
    ect... HELLOOOOOOOOO?????????????
    How hard is that to see????????
     
  10. Lori Registered Senior Member

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    The fruit I see is a denouncement of Jesus Christ as the true Christ, and the Son of God. The fruit I see are lost souls.

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  11. PercyPea Registered Senior Member

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    Im lost, whats this thing to do with aliens?

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  12. Boris Senior Member Registered Senior Member

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    If science is explaining how God does things, then I should like a citation of at least one scientific theory which explicitly mentions God. Go ahead, make my day!

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  13. Lori Registered Senior Member

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    Silly...science never, ever mentions God. That would take away from their egofied celebrity status. How, no why, remember?

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  14. Mock Registered Member

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    1 Cor 1:18-31 (Phi) The preaching of the cross is, I know, nonsense to those who are involved in this dying world, but to us who are being saved from that death it is nothing less than the power of God. It is written: "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and the prudence of the prudent will I reject." For consider, what have the philosopher, the writer, and the critic of this world to show for all their wisdom? Has not God made the wisdom of this world look foolish? For it was after the world in its wisdom had failed to know God, that he in his wisdom chose to save all who would believe by the "simple- mindedness" of the gospel message. For the Jews ask for miraculous signs and the Greeks an intellectual panacea, but all we preach is Christ crucified--a stumbling-block to the Jews and sheer nonsense to the gentiles... for God's "foolishness" is wiser than men.... But God has chose what the world calls foolish to shame the wise... that no man may boast in the presence of God.... And this makes us see the truth of the scripture: "He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord."

    In Christ.
     
  15. ltcmmdr Registered Senior Member

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    What does God has to do with all this? Totalitarian supposed to mean one kind of political group takes control of the government and outlaws all the other political groups. I think we're getting a little over board on who's controling who and all kinds of other psychobabble. Plus I think religion is for those who is weak minded.

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  16. Pookums Registered Senior Member

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    Boris,

    A modern scientist, I cannot think of one. However, many of the natural philosophers used a god in their metaphysical foundations (e.g. Berkely). Of course, these were rapidly denounced by the 'deus in machina' rebuttals.

    Others,

    I think most of us know this, but science (modern science) should have no theological goals whatsoever-proving or disproving. If one wishes to believe that the end result of science is to prove a god's work, so be it; however, this falls under interpretation of science, and not the theory or the practice.

    In fact, I know many scientists who are also theists. At first, I thought this was a contradiction. Later, it came clear that it doesn't have to be, since theism and science are truly seperate things.

    About the idea that monotheism being a totalitarianism, that is simply crap. First, as mentioned above, it really is an incorrect use of the word. Second, no religion I know of removes the ability for the individual to decide whether to accept or reject.

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