How to Win an Argument With a Vegetarian

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  1. Mr MacGillivray Banned Banned

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    The inuit used to eat only meat and fish.

    That was quite fine, because all parts of the animal body contain different nutrients and vitamins. And this differs per species as well.

    So the reverse is also true.
     
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  3. JDLinLA Registered Member

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    Read an article on CNN this morning about Bill Clinton titled From omnivore to vegan: The dietary education of Bill Clinton
     
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  5. KilljoyKlown Whatever Valued Senior Member

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    Don't Inuit kids grow bigger than their parents did because their diets have improved a lot. I think we see the same tihing happening in Japan now.
     
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  7. Pinwheel Banned Banned

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    They probably drink milk with growth hormones.
     
  8. KilljoyKlown Whatever Valued Senior Member

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    And did they talk about the reason behind this dietary education? Such as an illness of some kind where it's perceived that eating meat is more harmful to solving the health problem.
     
  9. KilljoyKlown Whatever Valued Senior Member

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    I knew there was a reason I didn't like milk.
     
  10. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    Only since we tamed fire. Our shortened digestive tract cannot extract enough protein from raw plant tissue to keep us alive and healthy, because most of it is sheathed in cellulose. We have neither the enzyme to break down cellulose, nor the symbiotic bacteria culture to break it down that lives in the huge guts of the ruminants.

    Of course our distant ancestral species were herbivores just as gorillas and our other closest relatives still are: They had longer intestines. But when they discovered how to make primitive knives by knapping flint, they suddenly had the ability to follow a discreet distance behind predators and scrape the leftover meat off of the bones they left behind. This massive increase in protein allowed them to evolve larger brains (whose maintenance requires an enormous daily protein ration), with the larger brains they built better knives, even more protein resulted in even larger brains, and eventually they ended up with spears, arrows, and complicated hunting strategies, becoming the apex predator of the entire planetary ecosystem, dining on both bears and sharks.

    Along the way the now-unneeded gut shrank, so they could no longer survive on a herbivorous diet even if they had wanted to.

    The harnessing of fire made available the protein content of plant tissue, but this is a relatively recent technology. For millions of years our ancestors were obligate carnivores, and we have their bodies.

    As well as their instincts and their food preferences. We don't need no stinking carrots!
     
  11. KilljoyKlown Whatever Valued Senior Member

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    A good french resturant might change your mind on any cooked vegtables you still don't like.

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  12. Mr MacGillivray Banned Banned

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    Growing bigger doesn't mean growing healthier. Japanese are in many ways
    healthier than larger Americans or Europeans. And the point you made that it was impossible to survive on a carnivorous diet only as a human. Not whether it makes you grow less tall.


    For some reason you seem confused when someone corrects you and feel you have to make an even sillier statement to correct the first.
     
  13. Me-Ki-Gal Banned Banned

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    If your cannibal I got the best way to handle a Veggut. Knife and a gun . That will win the argument every time . You can get all you need from plants, nuts and grains . It takes due diligent. Snackers is a good way to be if you do . Smack a lot is what I mean . If you want to go days with out eating you can't beat Meat . A bag of jerked Meat in cold weather will do the trick . Me need Vitamin C so an all meat diet is not a great way to go . Talk to the Limey .

    I'm A snacker your a Snacker , wouldn't Ya like to be a snacker too.

    Not to confused with Slacker !
     
  14. KilljoyKlown Whatever Valued Senior Member

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    I'm not confused at all and most humans don't survive on a straight carnivorous diet for very good reasons. I'm sure the Inuits do the best they can and when they have a choice they eat more variety and grow healthier and live longer. The Japanese have been eating a lot better since WW2 and whole generations of their kids are growing bigger than their parents because of better nutrition. So what's your real point?
     
  15. Me-Ki-Gal Banned Banned

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    They have been known to eat blue berries
     
  16. KilljoyKlown Whatever Valued Senior Member

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    Me too.

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  17. MarcGreen Registered Member

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    Everyone should support PETA! - People for Eating Tasty Animals :thumbsup:
     
  18. jmpet Valued Senior Member

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    I am a Vegetarian and I am not convinced. I am actually 99% Vegan- only I eat cheese (and producing the milk to make cheese does not kill the cow) but I am totally flesh-free! No meat, no animal products (except for cheese for me), no eggs, no honey (because they kill 90% of the population in the winter... the honey we extract is their winter food source- so we take it and mercy kill all but the queen)... no animal by-products- no leather etc...

    I need someone to convince me, a Vegetarian that I am wrong.

    Here and waiting-
     
  19. MarcGreen Registered Member

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    Wrong about what? It's your choice to eat poorly, and my choice to eat a varied diet with complex proteins. Why would you need someone to convince you that you are wrong? Are you doubting your choice?
     
  20. KilljoyKlown Whatever Valued Senior Member

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    I don't think your wrong about the honey, and when you understand that it's really bee vomit, it begins to become not so appetizing. This country has a big shortage of honey bees, so saving a few might not be a bad idea.

    Also you can make some very tasty protein drinks to cover your bases in that area of your diet.
     
  21. jmpet Valued Senior Member

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    I get plenty of protien from, beans, thank you.

    We all forget that not just two generations ago the diet was 90% vegetarian... that's why "the Sunday pot roast" was such a big deal...

    I am 41, 6'3" and healthy. I also take medically-advised supplements like Krill Oil, B12 and a monthly B12 shot from the doc... I am not lacking in any way- I can lift a lot and run for a long distance... I am not Olympic material...I am an average Joe like everyone else, no better or worse. But I do not eat animals.
     
  22. jmpet Valued Senior Member

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    I have also been meat free since April, 2002 and have no plans to go back to meat- it just does not appeal to me- to me, it's dead flesh cooked on your plate... I ain't with that.

    And having been meat free for over nine years, I have yet to hear a convincing argument that I am doing something wrong.
     
  23. KilljoyKlown Whatever Valued Senior Member

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    The title of the topic is the same as the article, and I think it had more to do with getting people to look at the article than having any arguments to say vegetarians are wrong. You didn't say what it was that made you decide to go meatless? One woman I used to work with said she wouldn't eat anything that had a face when it was alive. She didn't have anything against eating animal products like milk and cheese, but a fish has a face.
     

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