update: tripoli seems to be falling
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And just who is the new boss?
I heard today some estimate of ten days until Qadafi is over.
The other reports I heard, that his troops are pretty much abandoning him, suggest to me it could be over today or tomorrow. It has been suggested that he has no way out of the city, which also suggests that he will be dead very soon.
The rebels have a lot of work left before this is over; I'll congratulate them then. Meanwhile, not having to dodge bullets, I have some luxury of looking ahead, and wonder what comes next for Libya.
And I really have no idea. I don't even know who the new boss is going to be. Haven't even heard any names, or if I have, they flitted by with other details to escape recall.
I heard today some estimate of ten days until Qadafi is over.
The other reports I heard, that his troops are pretty much abandoning him, suggest to me it could be over today or tomorrow. It has been suggested that he has no way out of the city, which also suggests that he will be dead very soon.
The rebels have a lot of work left before this is over; I'll congratulate them then. Meanwhile, not having to dodge bullets, I have some luxury of looking ahead, and wonder what comes next for Libya.
And I really have no idea. I don't even know who the new boss is going to be. Haven't even heard any names, or if I have, they flitted by with other details to escape recall.
If this is a NATO success does that give NATO a leg up in viability . How many governments to date have given there sovereignty to the U.N. Has any ? How many victories has the NATO forces had in war efforts in the past ? Do peace keeping missions count as a war effort ?
You see my implications . A feather so to speak . Public image number 1 .
O.K. we all fight for viability don't we . We are in the fight of our lives
You see my implications . A feather so to speak . Public image number 1 .
O.K. we all fight for viability don't we . We are in the fight of our lives
All but over
It appears the Libyan rebels have captured Saif al-Islam Gaddafi.
Celebrations in Tripoli have begun.
Oil prices have fallen in response to the fall of Tripoli.
President Obama is preparing remarks for later today.
French President Sarkozy will meet with rebel leaders in France sometime soon.
It appears the war is virtually over, and we're just waiting for the official announcement. And the fate of Qadafi.
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Notes:
Abraham, Zennie. "Libya Rebels Storm Tripoli, Get Gaddafi's Son, Impact Oil Markets". Zennie62. August 22, 2011. SFGate.com. August 22, 2011. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/abraham/detail?entry_id=95870
It appears the Libyan rebels have captured Saif al-Islam Gaddafi.
Celebrations in Tripoli have begun.
Oil prices have fallen in response to the fall of Tripoli.
President Obama is preparing remarks for later today.
French President Sarkozy will meet with rebel leaders in France sometime soon.
It appears the war is virtually over, and we're just waiting for the official announcement. And the fate of Qadafi.
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Notes:
Abraham, Zennie. "Libya Rebels Storm Tripoli, Get Gaddafi's Son, Impact Oil Markets". Zennie62. August 22, 2011. SFGate.com. August 22, 2011. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/abraham/detail?entry_id=95870
Going from one corrupt dictator to another corrupt form of government isn't much of a change. I really do not believe the local citizens are going to feel any different after all is said and done but maybe I'm wrong.
:shrug:
:shrug:Oh, surprise surprise, Italian and English engineers are on the rigs TODAY. KSA stated last week they'll cut supplies if the price goes below $85 a barrel (the amount needed to bribe their public). China will probably think more carefully about how and where it invests in oil rigs. Those schmucks running the other puppet states probably will as well.
What I wonder is this: What happens when all the pretend "protesters" celebrating in the streets leave Tripoli? (many were hired by Omar and shipped in on boats) Are we going to need "peacekeeper" boots on the ground ....as we steal their oil too? (by we I mean France and Italy and our banks).
I've said before and I maintain it here: No nation will go down the tubes with a military so overwhelmingly more powerful than any other on the planet. This is an example of the use of military and propaganda at it's finest. Or not. Maybe we're learning from our adventurers in Iraq and Afghanistan? Or not.
I expect more power delivered into the hands of the POTUS as Americans get used to living in Empire (even if it is a Republic on the face of it). Hungry Americans are more than happy to murder 1000s of innocent Libyans if it means they get to keep their cheap Chinese made iPhone.
What I wonder is this: What happens when all the pretend "protesters" celebrating in the streets leave Tripoli? (many were hired by Omar and shipped in on boats) Are we going to need "peacekeeper" boots on the ground ....as we steal their oil too? (by we I mean France and Italy and our banks).
I've said before and I maintain it here: No nation will go down the tubes with a military so overwhelmingly more powerful than any other on the planet. This is an example of the use of military and propaganda at it's finest. Or not. Maybe we're learning from our adventurers in Iraq and Afghanistan? Or not.
I expect more power delivered into the hands of the POTUS as Americans get used to living in Empire (even if it is a Republic on the face of it). Hungry Americans are more than happy to murder 1000s of innocent Libyans if it means they get to keep their cheap Chinese made iPhone.
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superstring01
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So, who are these thousands of innocent Libyans?
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At least 376 people killed in Tripoli on Sunday
There were thousands of supporters of the government in Green Square last weekend, now there are thousands of rebels in Green Square this weekend. The difference is, these rebels are either from small towns that surround Tripoli or from way the F*cke over in the East (and are in no way connected to the tribes in Tripoli - which is paramount in this region of the world). They were bought and paid for by Omar and transported by boat to Tripoli and now we can watch them cheering about how they're "Freeeeeee........". IT's called propaganda.
In effect, this is a UN sanctioned invasion. You will soon see "Peacekeepers" on the ground just like in Iraq. With decades of experience supporting various puppet regime's in the region and a decade of direct occupation, who knows, maybe things will go smoother this time around?
We get the oil and China doesn't. How nice for us. By we I mean France and Italy, who will then be able to pay back the loans were made to them. So the Federal Reserve can get some of the bailout money returned to it at a whooping 1% interest. With the same printing press we used to f*ck over the US economy.
Freedom is Liberating isn't it?
Italian oil company leads charge back into Libya
Italy's Eni, the top oil producer of pre-war Libya, had already arrived in the country to restart oil facilities in the country's east, as fighting between government troops and the rebels continued in Tripoli in the west, Reuters reports, citing Italian Foreign Minister Franco Frattini.
All wars in the ME are only about two things: Oil and/or Religion.
The people in Tripoli are NOT going to benefit by a Democracy forced on them. We can't even manage our own god damn economy let alone theirs. Most Americans are in debt up to their arses. Yet, we're going to presume to know what's best for people in Libya. What a f*cking joke.
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Nay.
Now we have a guerilla war in a city.
Not a yay moment.
News report:
Sorry we said yesterday that Victory for our Tribal leaders was only hours away. In fact, we are now in Ghaddafi's home territory, and he is still the crafty old fox he always was. Our guys are under heavy fire from the enemy Tribal leaders and our chaps will probably have to back off within a few days after enough of them are dead.
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Good old fashioned bullshit.
An addictive drug, smoked Worldwide in its various forms.
Don't think about reality. Smoke this. All troubles will fade away..........................
I have to say that I inhaled a good portion of Obama's drowsy stash myself,
before I awoke in a filthy Obium Den, as wretched as before.
I prefer Yakshit
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Mrs.Lucysnow
Valued Senior Member
Want to feel better? Buy Obama dissapoint mints
http://www.philosophersguild.com/index.lasso?page_mode=Product_Detail&item=2123
You won't be alone "DUE TO AN OVERWHELMING NUMBER OF ORDERS, THESE MINTS WILL SHIP IN SEPTEMBER!"
Michael: "We get the oil and China doesn't. How nice for us."
China has the Iraqi oil with US troops guarding their offices and oil industry contracts in Iraq. They also get oil from the Sudan. With Germany bringing in Chinese investments at a soaring rate I'm sure they will probably get their hands on Libyan oil just as they had under Qaddafi. We're nice, we share.
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Which appears to be a lie. From all accounts, pictorial and video, he appeared, UN-incarcerated, in front of his supporters just in the last 24 hours or so.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/africa/08/22/libya.war/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
It seems that Reuters, AP, Al Jazeera, BBC, and others are routinely running with rumors as fact throughout the course of the last few days.
For more on the alleged truthfulness of mainstream media in the war on Libya, see http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2011/08/libya-nato-psy-op-collapses-qaddafi.html
How much reporting, by the way, has anyone heard about the likely assassination by the rebels of one of their own leaders, General Abdul Fatah Younis?
The whole thing since March has been a roller coaster of "this, that, and the other thing" and accusations from one side and the other, usually mutually exclusive.
Western Media, however, and American media in particular, are complicit propagandists, so naturally anything reported will be slanted to the side of this "freedom revolution" and the Obama administration, who flagrantly violated the Constitution and even the UN Resolution (and charter)* in order to wage this war of aggression. Which, by the way, is of NO benefit to the United States.
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---http://tarpley.net/2011/03/19/obamas-bay-of-pigs-in-libya/
Ahh! Such beautiful words!
Thankfully, I never smoked it, but I'm sure it's cleared your system by now. We do, however, need to set up rehabilitation clinics for others who still suffer.
Hope is Cheap, Mr. Soetoro!
Well, the only viable opponent so far is Ron Paul. Barring a Kucinich, Nader, or McKinney, there will be no good candidates. Fortunately or unfortunately, Paul is the only one with the backing so far and the support to get there.
It's really sickening how third parties are ignored, and many can't even get media coverage, let alone getting on ballots.
Mrs.Lucysnow
Valued Senior Member
LOL! More like deprogramming centers. A good detox from the over consumption of Kool-Aid.
Tripoli has fallen with hardly a shot fired.
Broken statues of the leader will be lined up on eBay and sold at dawn.
But where is Ghaddafi?
Could the fox of all desert foxes be beaten so easily?
Broken statues of the leader will be lined up on eBay and sold at dawn.
But where is Ghaddafi?
Could the fox of all desert foxes be beaten so easily?
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were they not there prior to the civil war?
if so, why the surprise?
"Italy's Eni, the top oil producer of pre-war Libya, had already arrived in the country to restart oil facilities in the country's east"