It would be pretty hard to argue that Americans have some kind of monopoly on arrogance. Nations are arrogant in proportion to their power; so there's the 'why'.
We understand why they say they are doing so. Doesn't mean we should give into their demands though. And war against terrorists like Al Qaeda is in fact something that most rational people support. About as justified as Iran's nationalizing of the British built oil industry, which was led by PM Mossedeq, that precipitated it. Because unlike BP, which in 1947 gave Iran just £7 million of after-tax profits of £40 million, the US owned Arabian American Oil Company which replaced BP after the coup, had agreed with the Shah to share profits (as they had done in 1950 with the Saudis) on a 50-50 basis with Iran, thus keeping the control of the oil out of Communist hands (Reza Pahlavi was a Cossack after all), and also vastly increasing the wealth of Iran. Arthur
That was pretty well put sport . Blunders !! Ha Ha Ha Ha . Life on human perspective is nothing but blunders . It is the way that the future comes at us . That is the thing . So we fuck it up good . Do the best we can and all that . You got to do something . You just can't hide and do nothing like in a state of denial . Action is required . Analogy : If you don't repair your house it falls down. Boom There is going to be revenge seeking going on as long as peoples don't have the 4 basic needs to survive . That seems like a basic statement . Any body see that Islamic kid adopted by an Australian woman that was on X factor ? He was missing body parts . He sang imagine . Go figure . It was like hearing the song for the first time . One world order is what the song asked for . For the people . I don't if you all are ready for that . I am . I was as a small child in the early 60s when I could barely talk . Thing is it can't happen by force . It would never work . The resentment would be there and that would lead to civil unrest . Just look how conspiracy theorist latch on to things like that . It is going to be a while , but my best suggestion is dignified living by the 4 basic needs of human survival . Any thing past that is pampering , like you was a golden wet pussy
Could this be taken as arrogance ? On more serious note, on what you base your superiority as a nation ?
What did they demand? To leave their countries alone and stop supporting dictatorships? Stop supporting Israel with weapons that bomb the Palestinians... If you wish to continue giving Israel weapons, then you should then be fine if they attacked you, because then you are willfully supporting the attack on Palestine, and they have the right to fight back. And you're not having a 'war on Al Qaeda'- you went into Afghanistan and declared war on the whole country same with Iraq. And by these 'wars' you aren't defeating Al Qaeda, you just strengthened them. You can't fight ideologies with bombs. That is just plain nonsense. Iran has the right to legislate anything that is part of its country. So America gave Iran a little 'more' but that justifies installing a dictator? Because here you're just looking at your interests, but not at what you just did with the Iranian people.
The American people are arrogant because we are all raised that way. It isn't really a choice it's the only option, unless you're a dissenter, who spends a great deal of time thinking about why you think things. Since arrogance is really based on opinions you can't really be right or wrong. Many Americans may choose to be ignorant, but almost all Americans are born into arrogance. It's not our fault, there just isn't humble pie big enough for us. 9/11 came close, but it only made us more arrogant after the "smoke cleared".
your talking about 1953 . I know a little about that . Why did we do it ? The U.S. didn't like that big nosed leader of Iran ? I don't know , but when he was on trial he kept dosing off . They made a mockery of him because of it in the national media . I tend to think that event was a big blunder . Don't know for sure but it reeks of special interest covert and seething out of peripheral view. Determined National security by the select few that have that high of clearance in the matter. It is funny how a few people can determine the fate of a world . It goes with the territory when you have silos of information locked up in vaults .
It is our Eagle Symbolism . We are taught to be like eagles . Independent . Independence day. It is ingrained into us big . It is the pioneer spirit . The same thing that caused human migration if you ask me . That driving force to achieve and rule the day . The competitive nature of human endeavor . The thing is we would be like deer or monkeys , bears , raccoons if we didn't have that nature in us . That burning desire to achieve is what I am talking about .
Yes, they identified with the Palestinians, but that doesn't mean we did anything wrong with regard to the Palestinians. They have their reasons, but that doesn't mean they are rational. When we kill dictators, they also oppose us. When we kill the Taliban who oppress Afghans, they also oppose us. Simply Evil A decade after 9/11, it remains the best description and most essential fact about al-Qaida.
The first Constitution that separated Church from State. This is the essential rift between Islamic culture and western culture. The fact that western political systems are becoming the standard by which to judge a nation's progress bothers the hell out of certain cultish members of a certain kind of Islam.
I'm willing to engage in a perpetual war with Al Quida and similar organizations. I don't want to prevent attacks by placating their paranoid delusions.
Why is America involved in funding the weapons of israel? You think every person Israel kills is justified? So it is irrational to hate the weapon supplier to a country that oppresses them the most? So stay the hell out of it to begin with.. Isn't that what they asked.. Don't get involved in their countries killing and propping up governments? After-all they are a sovereign country?
And you're willing to strengthen them? Does it ever occur to you the methodology used to fight may be wrong? That you can't fight 'terrorism' (a method) with bombs because it is something intangible... Do you think if we killed all the hackers in the world, there would cease to be any more hackers? Has it occur to you that you can't fight ideas with bombs?
In a sense, fighting any opponent can strengthen their resolve, that doesn't mean they shouldn't be fought. Our missile attacks on Al Quida leaders in Pakistan and elsewhere have been very successful.
Because they are allies and friends, because their enemies are often our enemies. Not everyone killed in war is an enemy, but that's the nature of war. They don't kill non-combatants deliberately as a matter of policy, that's why we have the moral high ground. Who oppressed Bin Laden? He was a privileged rich man. He should have fought Saudi Arabia if anything. No. We all live in the world.
Americans are afraid Muslims will wipe Israel off the face of the map if we don't support them . It mainly goes hand and hand with Christianity . Which I might add the U.S. is predominately Christian . Even our President claims Christianity as his religion even with his father being a Muslim from Kenya . So being a Christian gives Israel special entailment by scripture that is read and preached about every Sunday . Church and State are not separate in this way . It is more of a pipe dream . See if you believe the Bible as gospel then the end game is set in stone . That end game has Israel as the pivotal position. You see what I am saying 768 . It is the predominate Ideology of the U.S. White folk indoctrination. It is the same thing as the Muslim community . Blowing up talll buildings in a single bound don't do anything to change the ideology of North America . It inflames the people with big sticks . Mob rule lives . It is hard to control . Education helps Yes Michael . You are right . Knocking out old ideologies is much harder . Very slow process. What you gonna do ? Kill all the parents and raise kids in a factory like Hitler assembly lines . Kill all the ugly kids and keep the ones you see fit
Oh, okay. I think pretty much every nation on earth is superior to "certain cultish members of a certain kind of Islam" (I´m making wild guess here that your talking about terrorist kind). Or, are all Islamic countrys inferior to your country because of that separation act ? What about Turkey, what you think about them ? And by what "standards" you measure "superiority" ?
Why would I "be fine" if they attack us? That might be the silliest thing I've seen on these boards (and the bar is HIGH for that) No it's not nonsense. Most of the leaders of Al Qaeda are dead or in custody. They are now ineffectual and haven't done much more damage on the interntional scene. Which was and is the point. The world is indeed a safer place today. No it doesn't. It made long term contracts for those oil companies to do the exploration and drilling and build the pipelines and dock facilities. Renegging on that is not something they can do unilaterally, it's essentially stealing. Why yes it is, and it wasn't a little more, it was a whole lot more. BP was giving Iran 17%, we nearly trippled that. Yes I am. We helped them out by providing them far more income from the sale of oil and the Shah was very pro modernization and did a great deal to lift the Iranian people out of general abject poverty. See the "White Revolution" which redistributed vast tracts of land to the Iranians and the huge increase in life expectancy and literacy during his time in power and his giving women equal rights etc etc. Note, most of these changes did in fact piss off the radical Muslims and it was mostly that that led to his ouster, which subsequently led to a lot of social regression and killings of intellectuals (The speaker at my wife's HS graduation was summarily executed shortly after Khomeni took over) and a Government who now claims the Holocaust didn't actually happen. Arthur
Nationalism is some kind of mystery to you? Take a look around, some time. Why do you keep pushing this nasty strawman where you equate right-wing reactionaries with "the American public?" and then lambast the entire nation as beneath your moral and intellectual station? What the fuck do you think that kind of trollbait solves? You mean, sort of like how lots of people all over the world don't give a shit about American lives being taken, and instead only relate to America as a screen to project their petty psychodramas onto? To the point of declaring that all Americans, everywhere, are criminals to be summarily executed, and then crashing planes full of civilians into buildings full of civilians? You can maybe see where that kind of thing might inflame certain reactionary, nationalist conceptions, no? So go back under whatever bridge you dwell beneath, troll. Your apologetics for Al Qaeda and America-baiting are just so much conflict-stoking, divisive trolling, which can only make things worse. If you care about peace and coexistence, you'll have to find some way to conceive of all people - including Americans - as your brothers and sisters, and relate to them from a place of love and understanding. Building America up as an evil empire outside of the human community, and then assailing such, is just taking sides in the conflict and throwing fuel on the fire. Which, if you're going to do that, at least spare us the pathetic, limp-wristed moralizing posture. I could at least respect your honesty and conviction, if you'd own up to your position and embrace it, instead of shrouding it in all these disgusting, mewling pleas for others to validate and forgive your embrace of hatred and conflict as somehow moral and laudable. I mean, fuck me, just look at the thread title: it takes as given that Americans are arrogant, phrases such as a conscious choice (has anyone anywhere ever chosen to be "arrogant?"), and then demands an explanation for said misbehavior. This may be a new record in the amount of trollbaiting crammed into less than 10 words.
