What Policies of President Obama do you disagree with?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by 786, Oct 6, 2011.

  1. keith1 Guest

    You don't need just fresh air, you need oxygen.
    There is no aspect of reform that wouldn't need the entire attention of an eight year double-term to tackle. I'm talking eight years focused just on each: Economy, Housing Crunch, Jobs, War on Terror, Foreign Policy and World Public Relations, Upgrades on many Fronts, Constitutional Modernization, Human Rights, Presidential Powers Analysis, Congressional Powers Analysis, Health Care Reform, Healthy Food Supply, ETC...

    Excluding ETC, I mentioned 13.
    That's 13 X 8 years of attention each =
    104 years to solve the countries problems (excluding the ETCs)*

    You ask too much of even Supermen.

    *(Rough best case estimate. Some issues may take 10-20 years to stabilize and properly repair--entire focus on that issue alone)
     
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  3. adoucette Caca Occurs Valued Senior Member

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    No reason why we have to work on these serially.
     
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  5. wellwisher Banned Banned

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    The democrats and President Obama put too much stock into their money laundering scams. This is causing problems with the economy.

    The first stimulus was suppose to be for infrastructure spending and shovel ready jobs. But few jobs and projects were done with nearly a trillion dollars. The money did not go where the sales pitch said. I am assume this second job scam will do the same and should not be supported unless there is a checks and balance.

    The first scam put that money into government and unions to protect existing jobs instead of creating new jobs for all. The tax payer then indirectly pays the union dues which are then kicked back to democratic politians. The money bundlers see the need for a large infusion of kickback to compensate for lack of performance. It takes money to scam the public through mass media.

    The unions command centers are big businesses that handles billions of dollars, but are given tax free status like a charity or religion. They are not a charity, since union members make good wages. So it has to be more of a religious exemption. But the separation of church and state should not allow campaign contributions. Or if not a religion they should have to pay taxes on dues collected like a business. But because of the money laundering scam, the democrats made up a third type of charity/religion for kickbacks and their mass media manipulation.

    I think President Obama needs to move to the center, like former President Clinton and separate himself from these scams. Then he can make better decision that will help all instead of just democratic cronies.
     
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  7. keith1 Guest

    Interrelated issues would seem easily self-correcting, others more complex, distant in repair, and prone to cause unforeseen side-issues.
    This does not equate to a quicker time of repair. Only a careful focus on the unwinding of knots. Or the permanent leaving of knots behind. Leave the bridges to decay. Save a dollar and change America to resemble a different honorable, morale-boosting strategy.
     
  8. keith1 Guest

    Political tripe worthy of less than an eleven word reply.
     
  9. adoucette Caca Occurs Valued Senior Member

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    You didn't actually answer the question.
    You said it would take 100+ years, but that's only because you dealt with the problems in a serial manner.
    But that makes no sense.
    The key problems we have today won't be the same key problems we will have 50 or 75 years from now.
     
  10. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Valued Senior Member

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    The obvious point

    Yes, but you obviously think they're part of the problem, too.
     
  11. keith1 Guest

    If I read you as you intended, that could be taken as a "walk away from the problem response" as well. If a certain paradigm failure results in a reboot, many lives will have to be ...changed drastically, as such forced and chaotic changes would be expected.
    Such a system failure, based on the "oh well, the peasants died, we'll have to try that again with a new deemed class experiment", has little credibility to be realized. I guess we need not discuss such.
    I guess some of our pesky problems could just "go away" and not exist in fifty years.
    They could just as well pile up and strangle us. There's no telling at this juncture.

    I don't share your sugar-coated optimism.
     
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  12. adoucette Caca Occurs Valued Senior Member

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    No, it's simply asking you why you think we can't work on these problems in parallel and also pointing out that your time line based on tackling them serially makes no sense since 50+ years out, the problems on your list are not likely to be the key problems of the day.

    Huh?
    I haven't expressed any opinion about solving the problems except to point out that working on them serially makes no sense.

    That very obvious approach is hardly the same as "sugar coated optimisim".
     
  13. keith1 Guest

    Parallel problem-solving is of course the way it has to be accomplished. Unfortunately, for those doing the work and taking the blame for the slow progress in moving forward, can only lose the job to a replacement that can do no better.
    By disregarding the performance issues at hand with our current leadership, one with a correct perspective would leave those in charge to continue, another four years, with a minimized focus-distraction occurrence, that an "administration change" would cause at this time. This brings our focus back to the Obama OP subject. And easily explains why I'm voting for Obama for another term. His parallel problem-solving methods are the best than can be expected.
     
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  14. 786 Searching for Truth Valued Senior Member

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    No, I simply pointed out at as previously understood they had needed an amendment to ban a substance (alcohol), now they ban so many drugs without using it. In fact I'm saying they have abandoned the amendment process which they still needed (like alcohol) but they've found a new way to interpret it so they can bypass the Constitution most of the time without any need for amending it. Hence its toilet paper.
     
  15. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Valued Senior Member

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    Your words

    I am referring to your dispute with the Fourteenth and Fifteenth Amendments. You know, remember? To not be discriminated against for the color of one's skin is "an ideal not a right"?

    Your words.

    Quite clearly, as you demonstrated with your refusal of Amendments XIV and XV, you have a dubious understanding of how the Constitution works.
     
  16. 786 Searching for Truth Valued Senior Member

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    Fourteenth and Fifteenth Amendments are in relationship to Federal and State government with the people. I actually said many many times, whether your eyes were open or not, that there can be no discrimination based on anything when its between people and the government. So again read for once :shrug:

    The discussion was if people (NOT GOVERNMENT) could discriminate other people. So your use of the Amendments is- well- oblivious of this fact or your lack of understanding of whom those Amendments apply to.
     
  17. elte Valued Senior Member

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    The main Obama policy I am disappointed about was the auto industry bailout. I really want very small, very simple, very low maintenance, and very inexpensive cars and the bailout kept the status quo going.
     
  18. elte Valued Senior Member

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    I think he is doing well overall. I have to go back to Nixon to get to a president that I think was better.
     
  19. adoucette Caca Occurs Valued Senior Member

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    Really?

    http://www.gm.com/content/gmcom/hom...&type=sedancoupehybrid_electric&appState=list

    http://www.gm.com/content/gmcom/hom...&type=sedancoupehybrid_electric&appState=list

    and then there is the VOLT

    http://www.gm.com/content/gmcom/hom...&brand=all&type=hybrid_electric&appState=list
     
  20. mrsmart Registered Member

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    obama is doing a good job

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  21. elte Valued Senior Member

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    I want a price under $3000. Something like the Bug-E, but mass produced reliable, and cheap.

    Way not inexpensive IMO. I'd like to see people forget about all the safety stuff, too. Spend so much time in a car that accident safety is that conscious, then I think staying home and meditating might be a good idea.


    Way, way not inexpensive, IMO. If things don't get more reasonable, I expect to see more people leaving themselves stuck with inconvenient public transportation or bicycles. Bicycles are pretty good, though. I use mine almost all the time.
     
  22. adoucette Caca Occurs Valued Senior Member

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    Pretty funny.

    You first say you want a CAR but then you post a picture of what is essentially a motorcycle.

    Then you say you want it for under $3,000 but the vehicle you post is a KIT and comes without all the parts (fasteners or batteries) and yet the KIT price is nearly $6,000.

    (I also question the safety of the vehicle since not only does it have no wipers for visibility in the rain, it has two front wheels but the brakes are controlled independently. If in a panic situation you squeeze just one brake lever the result is not likely to be pretty)

    So in comparison, the car I posted

    http://www.gm.com/content/gmcom/hom...&type=sedancoupehybrid_electric&appState=list

    At $12,000 is a much better deal as it in fact a car and it seats FIVE in an Enclosed/heated/air conditioned space and with a trunk for luggage instead of ONE person out in the elements and no trunk at all.
    It also comes with all those SAFETY features you think aren't necessary, including 10 air bags and windshield wipers and 4 wheel brakes controlled by one pedal.
    It gets 35 miles per gallon (which is up to 175 passenger miles per gallon)
    It comes with a 60,000 mile warranty vs no warranty at all.

    GM will also start making the Electric version of this ~late next year.

    http://spark.chevrolet.com/geneva-v1/en_US/flash/index.htm

    Arthur
     
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