Convince me that I should think like you?

This goes to anyone and everyone, why do you deem that I should think just like you?
Atheists- Why don't you want me to believe?
Theists- Why should I follow your ways?
*Agnostics- Bravo**

This is not so much for myself, the purpouse is to make YOU think why. Because I don't believe in the view that everyone should think in the same way, ok this is an incredibly blunt statement on the nature of these views but the basic ground for them is either yes or no to God/Spirituality and the fact that all should believe one or the other exclusively.
What right I have to pose this question is ofcourse always disputable- everything is. But just answere it for the sake of the thread and the sake of common understanding.

*disregard this as a part of this arguement, this is meant as a sublime device to cause a subcontious bias favouring agnosticism.

 

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See, this is how alot of the religious types think, they think atheists are AGAINST religion and are devilishly trying to "tempt" them into "not believeing". Of course this is absurd, what could they possibly have to gain from that?
The truth is, all the atheists want is for the relgious types to STOP ignoring the facts, you can't argue FOR creationism because its ridiculous and an archaic way of thinking, to do this you need to purposely ignore all logical indications so obviously this is going to irritate someone who bases their beliefs on logic and facts.

 

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When was the last time you ever heard of an atheist missionary trying to recruit you for their "religion"?

 

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theists arent the only ones who ignore the facts

an example: in 1959 stereo photos where taken by a Turkish airline pilot of a boat shaped object on the mountains of Ararat for The Geodetic Institute of Turkey. An American team ran a day and a half expedition to the site, hardly enough time to carry out any scientific testing. They blew a hole in the side of the structure with dynamite, although some timber shaped stones were revealed, their conclusion was, "Nothing of any archaeological interest". They now believe this structure to be the remains of Noah's Ark, tho some athiests still dismiss it as wishful thinking.

People in general, not just theists, tend to ignore facts that dont fit with their world views.

also, in recent years there have been archaeological discoveries that have led some scientists/archaeologists to believe that we have seriously underestimated the intellect of the ancient people....it may be that they had the same brain capasity as we do. therefore there is some evidence that creationism may have some merit and evolution has less than before.

check out Ron Wyatt for more archaeological finds

 

Agnostic concerning what? God(s)? Are you equally agnostic with regards to the Faerie Kingdom?

 

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What makes you think the wooden ship can be fossilized on the surface of earth? Unless you suggest that Noah had used timber shaped stones to build the Ark.

 

As I said, it was an extremely blunt statement on my part not intended as a full description of the belief.
There are however those Atheists who believe that all religion should be abolished and that time wasted on prayer should be used for acchieving humanistic goals.

I'm talking to the extremes of the beliefs. I'm a big fan of everyone getting along.

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But sciforums would be quite a boring place if everyone agreed.

By definition the term agnostic refers solely to the issue of God and creationism etc.., other issues are subject to separate terming.
But I get your question, show me the Faerie Kingdom and I won't believe my eyes but I will not be able to doubt it's existance either.

 

A rose by any other name ...

Once again moonman passes up an excellent opportunity to stay silent.

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According to Huxley, the person who coined the term ...

And ...

Or, if you would prefer a theist site ...

But, enough of definitions. You may call it moonmanoneism and moonmantwoism if you it gives you comfort.

Now, rather than hide behind semantic diversions, why not simply tell us how your position on the Faerie Kingdom, Unicorns, Past-Life Regression, Panspermia, Kali, Ba'al, etc., differs, if at all, from your position on YHWH/Jesus - regardless of the term(s) you use to represent that position(s).

 

NONE of us can convince you to believe what you dont know or havent experienced for yourself....what we can do is give you cause to question, and entertain ideas or thoughts that may upon your investigation and reasoning render a change in your current beliefs or lack their of.

 

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i know next to nothing about this stuff......but I'll mention that it was made of gopher wood in a time where there was no rain or seasons........plus its in a mountain, that altitude might warrent special consideration!

 

Ever heard of petrified wood? Its actually wood in which the wood has gradually been replaced by sediments over a long period of time.

 

I think you should think like me, because then you would be allowed to think whatever you want to, convinced?

 

I wish I would shut up some times.

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Christ I'm ignorant.

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I believe in a universe of infinite size infinite time and infinite possibility. I percieve an utterly insignificant part of this universe. My position to your listings is this, anything and everything is possible but highly unlikely according to what I know, BUT I know next to nothing, I mean If I had all the knowledge of man kind in my mind I would still know the equivalent of a grain of sand in the Sahara.

Erm that's enough before I say anything idiotic again, perhaps I already have. Who cares

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why do we always end up arguing over what agnostic means?

"that it is wrong for a man to say he is certain of the objective truth of a proposition unless he can produce evidence which logically justifies that certainty. That is what agnosticism asserts and, in my opinion, is all that is essential to agnosticism. "

i like this one

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if I was a fanatical religious leader who needs some suicide bombers to serve my cause,or just to give $$ to my church so I can live like a millionare while you feel good about your soul being saved,I would say,,come join my club, brother,god/allah/whatever is great,glory haleluja praise the Lawd,etc.
atheists can only offer you reality,which can be hard to digest/accept,
no immortal fantasy here just truth,so what do you prefer honesty or lies?
www.atheists.org
www.thewaronfaith.com

 

Honesty of course. But the question here is not which is to prefere Theism or Athesim, I don't want to dispute this. My question is can a utillitarian and universal mindframe be justified, the question of wether the views are theistic or atheistic was moreover used as a tool to grab some attention as this is the focus of most debate on this forum but hte goal of the debate is often overlooked relative to the actual content of the debate.

 

What "mindframe" is that?

 

ie. Everyone should not believe in god and spend time otherwise wasted on prayer reasearching medicine and not starting wars over religious disputes.

or elatively. Everyone should believe and worship a one true god and be good and stuff so that they get into heaven.

 

Ah, diversity for the sake of diversity irrespective of evidence.

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