Is the earth expanding?

Discussion in 'Pseudoscience Archive' started by bgjyd834, Apr 26, 2011.

  1. Gneiss2011 Registered Senior Member

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    Hello, florian! I requested you to show "the observations that the size of our planet increased"! florian! Hello! Are you afraid of discussing? Are you a scientist who refuse to share his knowlegde? Are you a crank who is afraid of being refuted?

    Do you know the sentence "Put up or shut up"?

    One comment about florian's measurement of past seafloor surface in

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    It is obviously using the surface of the dated and currently observable seafloor. Then the surface is removed step by step, and the seafloor older than x Myear is used to measure the "Surface of Ocean Floor (km2)" x Myear ago.

    But in the following diagramm

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    there is old seafloor which is subducted.

    For the seafloor surface at (3), florian add the surface of purple, blue, orange and red seafloor. He doesn't count the surface of green and yellow seafloor, which is subducted (correct in my opinion).

    For the seafloor surface at (1), florian add the surface of purple and blue seafloor. He doesn't count the surface of orange and red seafloor, which did not exist at this time (correct in my opinion). He doesn't count the surface of yellow seafloor, which was subducted at this time (correct in my opinion). He doesn't count the surface of green (not correct in my opinion).

    With this methodology, the measured seafloor surface in the pictured area is lesser at (1) than at (3), altought it should be near the same.

    Next step: searching the amount opf subducted seafloor during the last 200 or 100 Myear.

    Lets look at GPS data and plate map.

    If I assume a convergence of 4 cm/year along 20,000 km convergent boundary, then it lead to 0.8 10^8 kmĀ² / 100 M year of subducted seafloor, which is not negligible.
     
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  3. origin Heading towards oblivion Valued Senior Member

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    No it is just that your questions are so weird, they don't need to be answered. But I will try to answer your questions.

    You didn't understand his point (imagine my surprise). Objects like molecular clouds coalescing to stars become more dense. Objects like like stars that lose their internal pressure due to fusion progressing to iron formation become more dense. Objects like the earth or the moon do not become more dense.

    No

    The universe is expanding, so the distance between very distant objects is increasing. The idea that mass is evolving into space is what is known as bat-shit-crazy.

    I know the chances of you getting this very simple concept is nil - but what the heck. The universe is getting less dense. But objects in the universe are not getting less dense. If the mass is relatively constant but the volume is increasing then the density of the universe is less. Get it - I bet not.
     
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  5. Motor Daddy Valued Senior Member

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    So you acknowledge that the universe is getting less dense, but you don't acknowledge that the very process that causes the universe to expand is the same process that causes ALL objects to expand and become less dense. You say that gravity causes objects to come together, and yet every object in the universe is getting further away from each other.

    Let me say that again, just in case it went in one ear and out the other and didn't impact any matter.

    ALL objects are becoming less dense in the universe as the universe itself is becoming less dense! Mass is evolving to space, whether you like it or not!!! The objects of mass in the universe are becoming less dense so the universe itself is becoming less dense! Did it impact any matter this time?
     
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  7. Robittybob1 Banned Banned

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    The sort of expansion and density changes you are describing can't be noted by anyone within that frame/region of space since everything changes in the same proportion.

    So this is a different type of expansion as compared to the EE theory, where the crust when compared to the magma plus cores of the Earth expand at different rates. Also the EE theorists believe the Earth expands but the Moon didn't.
     
  8. Trippy ALEA IACTA EST Staff Member

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    This:
    Does not follow from this:
    Because there are forces that can oppose gravity.
     
  9. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Motor Daddy:

    You again failed to answer my questions about the water.

    From which other substances did the water come? And how did it change from those other substances into water?
     
  10. Robittybob1 Banned Banned

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    Doesn't all elements have their origin in Hydrogen fused together in a star somewhere.

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  11. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    What about Helium?



    You're thinking you can come up with an "Einstein" idea without doing any work.
     
  12. Robittybob1 Banned Banned

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    Helium is 2 hydrogen atoms joined by fusion. Aren't they?
     
  13. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Are you speaking for Motor Daddy now, Robittybob1?

    Do you support all of Motor Daddy's ideas?
     
  14. Robittybob1 Banned Banned

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    Honestly I would have no idea what he is on about in total.
    Some of what he says could be "possible" if worked on.
    But I just put in my knowledge about every element being able to be formed from Hydrogen. Don't ask me to detail the pathways but they are available.

    I wrote a summary of what I understand regarding planet building, and I thought you would have commented.

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  15. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    And what makes you believe I didn't already know that?

    Read between the lines.
     
  16. Robittybob1 Banned Banned

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    I never even considered that you didn't know this, but I thought you were testing my knowledge. In fact i had to think "Am I right about Hydrogen forming Helium?" and said to myself "that is what is happening in the Sun", so I stuck with it.

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  17. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    Then you're saying Motor Daddy's idea is total bunk?
     
  18. Motor Daddy Valued Senior Member

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    James, I am not here to answer every question in the book that you can't answer. I have a general progression of matter idea and I am expressing my idea. Don't try to play the ol' "if you can't answer every question I ask of you then your idea is bunk" card. That's simply BS!

    What I am telling you is that mass becomes less dense over time. So for instance, helium actually breaks down into hydrogen over time. There is a lot of helium and hydrogen in the universe, and even more "dark matter" in the universe because a single more massive object breaks down into even MORE less massive objects. So one molecule of helium can break down into even more molecules of hydrogen. Likewise, all that hydrogen and helium breaks down into huge amounts of dark matter. Yes, I am saying dark matter was once hydrogen that has since broken down into a less dense dark matter.

    So, read between the lines in the link. Water could certainly form according to my idea, because mass gets LESS dense over time according to my idea.

    http://thefutureofthings.com/news/1054/new-way-to-produce-water-from-unlikely-materials.html

     
  19. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    You're milking some fantasy?
     
  20. Motor Daddy Valued Senior Member

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    You drink beer with a straw?
     
  21. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    And I'm also a physics major.

    Really great comment you made though.
     
  22. origin Heading towards oblivion Valued Senior Member

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    Correct, the bulk density of the universe is decreasing.

    Yes, that is correct. You are clearly not becoming less dense for instance.

    This is demonstrably incorrect. The Andromeda and Milky way galaxies are moving towards each other for instance.

    All evidence shows that you are wrong. Physics is not about making things up.

    It has nothing to do with likes, there is no evidence that anything like you are proposing is remotely possible. It is pure fantasy.

    I understood perfectly what you wrote, the problem is that it is wrong. It is nothing but a made up silly fantasy. Which is pretty much what all of your 'great' ideas are.
     
  23. Motor Daddy Valued Senior Member

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    You mean one of my many great ideas that, for instance, light travels away from the point in space it was emitted, regardless of what the source does during that light travel time? Let me tell you something, buddy boy,

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    That concept is IRREFUTABLE!!!
     

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