Biblical Contradictions: Question #2

Consciousness is a vague parameter. One could say bacteria is conscious of its surroundings, it reacts to stimuli. I'm just asking you to clarify a bit more.


You quoted Genesis 1. What about Genesis 2, which is more specific on a single man named Adam.

 

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Jan,
You are filling in the gaps with your own imagination, there is no mention there of people before Adam and Eve.

 

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Bacteria are alive, because they are conscious of their needs, and surroundings.


Adam was created to lead mankind.
In the Qur'an, his status, viceroy, is mentioned.


jan.

 

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Common sense is adequate to draw that conclusion, not religion, which is what you seem to do despite not believing most of it's information.

jan.

 

And interpretations of those verses also say that men before were wiped out to make room for Adam.

So there's all sorts of apologetics going on here, all different directions.

 

Not really.
You just need to remove the goggles of religion.

jan.

 

Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me

This seems to refer to all the people that would come after, remember, these guys lived hundreds of years.

And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch

They were fruitful and multiplied. Why wouldn't God mention a very important fact, that there were people before He created people?!?!?!

 

Silly people arguing that something they hold to be farcical should have a literal truth value. Self-contradictory or hypocritical, take your pick.

 

Maybe Adam and Eve were a colony of humans rather than individuals.

 

Cant tell if trolling or just stupid...

Really?!?!?

 

The story of Adam and Eve is allegorical, so anything that stems from that is also. Genesis cannot be taken seriously.

 

Adam and Eve's children.
Cain, Abel,and Seth.

Which one had the sex change operation?

 

Abraham and Sarai, marries his half sister? (Gen 12:29)
[ The Torah, states it may have been his niece, they explain that a man often refers to his relative as sister (Midrash HaGodol)]

Biblically who would be more closer together than Adam and Eve? they are of th very same flesh and blood.... yet all humanity comes from them. Back than God provided a way to procreate.. even after the flood, there were only eight persons in the world

Pe 3:20 "God's patience waited in the days of Noah, during the building of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were saved through water."


There is more to Cain than the slaying of his brother,Abel. Cain represents the world, who had no problem with his sin, only felt pity for himself in the consequence of his sin, and did not seek forgiveness from God.

Cain moves out from the presence of the LORD, (Gen 4:16), establishes his own civilization in Nod, that is apart from God altogether, and the children of Cain establish a Godless civilization.
From the Chumash: Gen 4:17 commentary,
The torah calls him 'city-builder' cut off from the earth, from God and from his own felloew men, Cain was left with only his own intelligence and talent, which he utilized to build cities. Urban life, unlike rural life, cultivates

Cain pleads for mercy of his punishment, God had given Cain a second chance and promises him not to execute punishment for seven generations. He is eventually killled by
Lamech of his 6th generation at the guidance of Lamech's son Tublal-cain (From the Chumash, Gen 4:23,24)

Commentary:
http://www.blueletterbible.org/commentaries/comm_view.cfm?AuthorID=2&contentID=7324&commInfo=31&topic=Genesis&ar=Gen_4_17

a. And Cain knew his wife: We don’t know where did Cain got his wife. Genesis 5:4 says Adam had several sons and daughters. Cain obviously married his sister. Though marrying a sister was against the law of God according to Leviticus 18:9; 18:11; 20:17, and Deuteronomy 27:22 (which even prohibits the marrying of a half-sister), this was long before God spoke that law to Moses and the world.

i. Here, necessity demanded that Adam’s sons marry his daughters. And at this point, the “gene pool” of humanity was pure enough to allow close marriage without harm of inbreeding. But as a stream can get more polluted the further it gets from the source, there came a time when God decreed there no longer be marriage between close relatives because of the danger of inbreeding.

ii. Even Abraham married his half-sister Sarah (Genesis 20:12). God did not prohibit such marriages until the time of Moses (Leviticus 18:9). Marrying a brother or sister was not forbidden until God forbade it.


On a metaphysical notion,

Metaphysical Bible Dictionary
Cain in Hebrew stands for - possession; acquisition. centralization, to its own center; selfishness; sharp, cutting. a lance. Cain represents the genius of evil,


When does God disallow marrying close relatives?
Well Noah and his family of eight had six laws to follow,
Gen 9:1, 'be fruitful and fill the land"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Laws_of_Noah

Prohibition of Idolatry
Prohibition of Murder
Prohibition of Theft
Prohibition of Sexual immorality
Prohibition of Blasphemy
Prohibition of eating flesh taken from an animal while it is still alive
Establishment of courts of law


then after the Exodus:
Deu 27:22 "'Cursed be he who lies with his sister, whether the daughter of his father or the daughter of his mother.' And all the people shall say, 'Amen.'

According to the Chumash, the twelve subjects of the blessings and curses are acts of the sort that transgressors could do secretly. Thus, the nation would proclaim that it abhorred stealthily committed sins, and acknowledged God would punish those who commit them.

 

Wow this is so easy. Just because two of their sons where mentioned does not mean that they only had two sons. They lived many years and had many children. You look at genealogies in the bible and never mention daughters. Does that mean the Jewish people only have sons. What a ridiculous conclusion that would be. But that is the conclusion your drawing from genesis.


All Praise The Ancient of Days

 

''Adam'' has a singular and plural context.
The ''Adam'' in the first chapter pertains to the plural,
and the second chapter, the singular.

It's that simple.


jan.

 

spidergoat,

''Seems to refer''. :shrug:
It says what it say's, meaning there are ''other people''. Why wouldn't there be?

Why is it an important fact?
Common sense alone tells you that other people existed before A and E, so they couldn't have been the first humans ever. It's a no brainer, unless you're looking at it from a Christian perspective. Why are YOU looking at it from such a perspective?

jan.

 

Remember Adam live for many hundreds of years. We have no idea how long he and Eve were fertile. I think it is pretty obvious Cain married his sister. Remember the prohibitions against interfamilial marriage did not come along until the Mosaic Law. As far the danger of inbreeding, we are talking about the perfect first peoples and so I think we can fairly ask ourselves, how many negative genetic traits were there to be passed on by inter marriage.

Also remember Abram married his half sister, and that was no sin.

Isaac married Rebbekah, and Jacob married her nieces, that would make them both his cousins, well second cousins, but nevertheless, it was an interfamilial marriage and yet there was no sin.

Just something to consider.

 

Isn't this supposed to mean that all men and women are descendants of Adam and Eve "in spirit" - ie. just as Adam and Eve partook of the tree of knowledge, so everyone else who is born a human does -?

 

Why do you think Adam and Eve were the first humans, ever?


jan.

 

It says "shall come to pass" meaning in the future. In hundreds of years, a population could grow exponentially.

Common sense tells me Genesis is just another creation myth as all cultures produce. I think we are looking at it from an objective perspective. You are the one trying to reconcile truth and myth.