Vehicles with touchscreen windows?

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  1. ricardonest Registered Senior Member

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    Looks like GM is picking the brains of others to figure out a cool way to integrate touchscreen windows in cars. Any thoughts? The concept sounds cool, but functionally does it promote car safety?

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  3. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    I don't think this is a very smart idea for safety sake but an interesting idea if the car was not being driven and in a parked position. To bad that couldn't be done but we will see more accidents happening if they institute this concept in millions of vehicles and allow them to be used while driving.

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  5. Rhaedas Valued Senior Member

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    It's only for rear passengers (supposedly), so the main safety would be can they make this would with tempered glass. Although there is the factor of rear vision for the driver with a glowing screen...I know that even with a laptop in the back it affects what you can make out at night behind you.

    I can see the kid angle, but I don't like people leaving fingerprints on regular windows as it is, and the whole thing about being able to interact with other cars and see into their windows...kinda weird, but then again I don't use the Facebook account that I was talked into creating, so it might appeal to the younger iPhone crowd.

    I would also hope a BSOD would default to just clear glass.

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  7. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    Well they are promoting it only for back-seat passengers. I don't think they're really suggesting that drivers play Angry Birds on their windshields while stuck in traffic. Although I suppose it would be better to play it on the windshield than looking down onto their cellphone.

    What I'm waiting for is replacing all the windows with videoscreens. I spend several weeks every year driving directly into the morning sun and I can tell you how dangerous that is. If it was a monitor, the software could correct the light intensity in real time so the sun would be there but not blocking out the entire field of vision.

    And a video rear-view mirror would be much better than these stupid things hanging all over the car! Imagine looking in just one place and seeing a 120-degree view of what's behind you and off to both sides!

    Or keeping track of what the kids are doing in the back seat, without turning around.
     
  8. leopold Valued Senior Member

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    there are 2 types of "safety" glass used in cars.
    the first is actually called safety glass and is composed of 2 pieces of glass separated by a plastic sheet. this type is used in windsheilds.

    the second type is called tempered glass and is a single sheet of "hardened" glass. this type is used in side and back glass.
     
  9. Stryder Keeper of "good" ideas. Valued Senior Member

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    You could rig a front system too, however you'd have to have an inbuilt system to identify if the vehicle is in motion or if it's "parked". After all if you are stuck in heavy traffic, you could use a handbrake to identify the vehicle isn't in motion. With the handbrake on you could have the option to use it, once the handbrakes off it automatically goes into a sleep mode and powers off from view. Obviously there should be a manual override for powering it OFF too, in case some dodgy firmware misloads and gets stuck in an ON position even when the handbrake isn't applied. Failing a manual off switch an easy access and directions for removing the particular fuse related to it's operation would be required in any owners manual.
     
  10. Aladdin Registered Senior Member

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    How about not driving at all? And I'm not saying not moving around in a car; just not as a driver but rather as a passenger, while the car drives itself wherever it was told to go. Are we technologically far away from such a feat?



    With a self-driving car this surely won't be an issue since everyone in the car will be facing each other... unless they choose to watch a movie or play Angry Birds on what previously used to be the windshield.
     
  11. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    The most easily envisioned form of that technology is for individual autos to be coupled together like railroad cars. Moving in unison would solve several problems like preventing collisions and increasing traffic density. At designated points (every few blocks in the city, every mile on a freeway) the train can slow down, allowing autos to disconnect and leave the queue, and go off on their own, either branching off and joining a queue on another road, or going into a residential district with lower traffic density and operating singly (perhaps with hands-on operation or on blanket nationwide computerization). Of course their placement in the queue would be managed so that entire blocks of cars could be discharged in one operation, for efficiency.

    Of course, I could also interpret your question to mean, "Why drive? Can't most of us work at home now?" Isn't the day coming when the only reason 99% of the population will bother going from where they are to a distant location will be for socializing or recreation?

    I know some of you older people (older than me, that makes you at least 69) can't imagine the economy functioning almost entirely by automation. Yes I understand. My grandfather turned down the opportunity to let the phone company install a free telephone in his business for promotional purposes, because "People will never be comfortable doing business by talking over a little wire. They need to be standing face to face."
     
  12. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    A touchscreen HUD on the windshield could be really useful, especially if it has any kind of thermal sensor able to highlight, say, living bodies approaching the road (deer, drunk people, etc) or help you navigate in inclement weather... though such a system would be ungodly expensive I'm sure...
     
  13. Aladdin Registered Senior Member

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    Well, I was thinking more along the lines of completely autonomous vehicles equipped with visual sensors, pattern recognition software, GPS and whatever else is necessary (sans human intervention) to safely navigate through our current road infrastructure.

    In terms of raw computer power (storage volume, processing speed) I believe we are not too far away, especially if the Moore's Law remains in effect in the foreseeable future. I'm not so sure about the software capabilities though (pattern recognition, ...).

    My guess is that by the end of this century the driver profession will be pretty much obsolete. (Though that might also happen because of exhausting the fossil fuels

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    That's not what I meant, but yeah, I do believe that more and more people will be working from their homes in the future. The only thing that surprises me is the slow rate of this transition. (Just looking at the software professionals -- is there any good reason for not having most of them work at home? Not really. And yet, this is not happening...)



    I guess this will be closer to the truth if we replace "people" with "politicians." I mean, what the heck do they insist on having those big G20/G8/G-whatever meetings during which huge amounts of money are spent on security measures when they can easily have as many online meetings as they want with a fraction of the money? Nope. They insist on seeing each other face to face and having those "big happy family" pictures taken while police is crashing with the protesters in the surrounding streets... Crazy.
     
  14. Rhaedas Valued Senior Member

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    It's a daunting task, not because of the amount of info coming in, but because the human brain is good at pattern matching and ignoring things that aren't important. Like was said, the easiest route is to make the roadway very predictable, and then you don't have to break into the AI field.

    Of course the dilemma is how you could possibly phase that into the existing infrastructure.

    A HUD that warns of problems or gives important data I can see slowly becoming the norm in automobiles. It's the trivial things like games, email, or facebook that needs to stay far, far away from the driver.

    I thought of one problem with self-driving cars...if an accident occurs, either between two of them or one of them and a human-driven car, who is at fault?
     
  15. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    Windows break all the time, that's why they put the electronic goodies on the inside. But it might be good for a very expensive car.
     
  16. Asguard Kiss my dark side Valued Senior Member

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    I could see the front winscreen and dashboard being replaced with a HUD, this would give increased field of vison too and yes you could replace the drivers buttons with a touch screen
     
  17. Aladdin Registered Senior Member

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    I imagine the cars will have something similar to the black boxes in current planes, something that records the last half an hour or so of every action, every video stream taken before an accident occurs. Then, if the accident is serious and cannot be settled immediately by those directly implicated, the whole recording is taken and analyzed by some sort of an authority which decides whose fault it was. If it proves to be an error on the self-driving car side then I guess the car producer should be held responsible for it. (Probably covered through some sort of insurance.)
     
  18. Aladdin Registered Senior Member

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    Have you guys seen this? Sebastian Thrun: Google's Driverless Car

    Here's a quote: "(...) our self-driving cars have completed nearly 200,000 miles of autonomous driving on public highways."

    Wonder how long will it take to see this kind of technology becoming ubiquitous... Any bets?
     
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  20. Epictetus here & now Registered Senior Member

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    So what if you left your kid to play with his touchscreen car window, you go shop, and the kid sits in the hot car with the windows rolled all the way up so he can play computer games? :bawl:

    And autonomous driving? What would you call that? An autonomobile?
     
  21. anky2930 Banned Banned

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    In my opinion its a great idea to have this technology but it should be implemented only in the rear windows of the car.
     
  22. Buddha12 Valued Senior Member

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    I was just at my local Lexus dealer and was in their newest car which has voice recognition for all of the GPS functions, so I guess within a few years we won't need touch screens any longer and only have to try and talk to ourselves while driving along. I hope that I don't get laryngitis while driving.
     
  23. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    Transportation always responds quickly to new technologies. Sails, horses, roads, the wheel, chariots, the steam engine (ships, locomotives, cars), electricity, internal combustion, diesel, the jet engine.

    Surely by the end of the century some new technology will revolutionize transportation again. Although I'm betting that the paradigm-shifting technology of electronic communication will greatly reduce the need for transporting people.
    One-fourth of America's petroleum is spent directly on commuting. And that doesn't count its second-order effects such as energy-intensive fast food for people who can't get home in time to cook, nannies driving around for people who never see their children awake, and tradesmen coming in for people who have no time to mow their own lawns or put new washers in their own faucets.
    It's ironic that we who build software are the most reluctant to take advantage of its paradigm-shifting power. Maybe we'd simply rather hang out with the other geeks than be home with our families.

    It's true that there's some advantage to being in the same space. But I'm positive that cheaper and better video will reduce that advantage. Pass-the-mouse software has already made virtual meetings very efficient.

    It's just a generational thing. My generation isn't even comfortable with cellphones. Yours is, but doesn't like to hold meetings that way. But the kids who are growing up with MOMRPGs and texting and Blueteeth won't understand why anyone thinks they need to be in the same physical location in order to work or play together.

    Remember my grandfather, who didn't bother to have a telephone installed in his pharmacy because people would never be comfortable transacting business with someone they can't see.
    There are a few professions in which physical proximity may be crucial. Psychiatry and diplomacy come to mind. They read each other's subtle physical cues, which won't show up on a face-only video. Heck, they probably even smell each other's pheromones.
    One would reasonably suppose that a car with such sophisticated appointments would start the engine and adjust the climate control if the temperature exceeds a reasonable maximum. I would certainly expect that for my dog!
     
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