Is it possible for something to come from nothing?

Discussion in 'Astronomy, Exobiology, & Cosmology' started by pluto2, Feb 19, 2012.

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  1. steampunk Registered Senior Member

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    Things don't originate. Things are. Even space is matter. Even blackness is matter. EVen vacuum is matter. Even nothing is matter. We sense only things that exist. All things we sense interact with us, so then we sense them. All things that interact with us require mass. Mass is matter. Matter is neither created nor destroyed.

    When is the last time you sensed nothing? What is impossible? What is zero? They are mass. You have contacted them, and they have contacted you.
     
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  3. Gravage Registered Senior Member

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    Scientific models like this aren't getting any better at all than other scientific models, that's why there are so many scientific hypotheses and theories.
     
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  5. Syne Sine qua non Valued Senior Member

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    Another person who doesn't know how to use quotes on this forum.

    Inflation cosmology currently covers the most evidence in the most parsimonious way. All of the most credible models are merely variations on inflation.
     
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  7. Gravage Registered Senior Member

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    How does it cover when it's not proven, I wouldn't even call it a theory, it's really one of hypotheses.
     
  8. Syne Sine qua non Valued Senior Member

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    Educate yourself on what these words mean in a scientific context.


    What is workable is that which offers parsimonious explanation of phenomena. If it is workable it is without any significant evidence to refute it. You'll notice that even a theory or law cannot be considered to be "proven" in the sense of an absolute truth. Science deals in facts not truths. Even the current scientific laws may become obsolete.


    "Covers" means that there are no more parsimonious explanations. Or do you propose to present one? I'm all ears.
     
  9. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    You would do well to understand the terms you are using.

    Matter: anything that occupies space and has rest mass.

    Space is not matter.
    "Blackness" is not matter.
    Vacuum is not matter.
    "Nothing" is not matter.
    We interact with light, yet it is not matter.
    Matter is created and destroyed all the time; it is converted to energy and back again routinely.
     
  10. Gravage Registered Senior Member

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    Theory means proven hypothesis, however, there are always parts of theory that remain hypothetical. Regarding laws, yes it's true what you said, however they are proven on Earth and observable part of the universe, and that's enough for me, the invisible, unobservable part of the universe remains mysterious forever.
     
  11. TAMallick Registered Member

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    We have not ability to create anything, just we can change or invent. But only God has ability to create anything from zero.
     
  12. Syne Sine qua non Valued Senior Member

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    Damn, I even provided you with the definition and you still don't get it. Talk about thick. Try again.
     
  13. Tero Registered Member

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    Let me guess: he exists outside time?
     
  14. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    No it doesn't; it means hypothesis with supporting evidence. In physical sciences, theories do not get proven.
     
  15. NMSquirrel OCD ADHD THC IMO UR12 Valued Senior Member

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    missed alot of the conversation in this thread..

    was the big bang addressed?
     
  16. Gravage Registered Senior Member

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    Oh, sorry, I didn't even see the link until now.
     
  17. river

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    hmm okay we have nothing , lets start from here

    now what happens ?
     
  18. NMSquirrel OCD ADHD THC IMO UR12 Valued Senior Member

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    i have been told that regarding my thinking, that i can come up with something from nothing..
    (don't ask what..i dunno)
     
  19. river

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    its not only that , but the idea , concept , that something , Universe , comes from nothing is absurd

    why this kind of thinking is not long gone is , well , puzzuling
     
  20. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    The universe has a total energy of zero, meaning that it could have come from nothing.
     
  21. river

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    NO

    it just means that it is balanced
     
  22. SciWriter Valued Senior Member

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    What is the source of the basic forever stuff, which is the same exact stuff as of now?
     
  23. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    It does support the premise that it could have come from nothing just like the virtual particles that cause the Casimir Effect. Also uncaused. Don't forget the early universe was very small so quantum effects applied.
     
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