The Wow! signal from 1977

Excuse me but I guess you seem to overlook the many other things that America has been doing. Placing robots on other planets and gathering more data than any one trip by astronauts could ever gather in a short visit to another planet. Placing telescopes into space that can see the beginning of the universe and building newer ones that will see even more. Visiting asteroids and comets and bringing back samples of materials from them. landing probes onto the surface of an asteroid, blowing a crater in an asteroid to see what its made up of.

I can go on and on about more scientific breakthroughs that America is doing and has been doing so don't tell me that because we have to work together with other countries is a bad thing because it is a far better thing to cooperate with others than to keep spending more and more money doing the exact same things.

But Fermilab has discovered many things in the sub atomic world that Cern will have to catch up to all of Fermilabs discoveries before they can say it is far superior to Fermilab. Don't forget the physicists were working for over 50 years at Fermilab before CERN was ever brought on line. Fermilab today is finding new data and many physicists are still working there to do research that CERN can't do. Just because it is bigger doesn't mean it is better, it still hasn't found the Higgs Boson yet for which it was built to do and it blew up once already, Fermilab never did blow up.

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Buddha12, et al,

Don't get me wrong, I am advocating that the US spend more of its GNP on:

Education; not just the 5.7%, 37th Place, behind Cuba which spends 18%+.

According to a new forecast released by Battelle-R&D Magazine, it is still the United States, which is expected to spend approximately $405.3 billion in 2011. That’s about 2.4 percent over what it spent in 2010. It is also about one-third of ALL global R&D spending, which is forecast to reach $1.2 trillion in 2011.

That’s the good news. The not-so-good news is that the United States will increase its R&D less than some other rising nations, including China, Korea, India, Russia and Brazil.​

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Dependency is a limiting factor.

I'm not suggesting that unmanned programs have not been fruitful. But it is nowhere near making the leaps that we once did.

NASA funding has not been 1% of the federal budget since 1993. It has been less than steadily declining since that time, to slightly less than 0.5%.; with the 2013 Budget to be approximately $17.7B, a $59M reduction from its 2012 funding level.

I advocate an improved funding level and a strategy that would permit , not a space station, but a Moon Base.

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FEMILAB has served its purpose. But like much of our infrastructure in America, it was not upgraded. FERMILAB has distinguished it self, and produced ground breaking research. But like all technology, it must be kept up-to-date.

I agree with you, that America has any number of anecdotal developments in space exploration, but I am also looking at making America the new Mecca of science and technology; the 21st Century equivalent of ancient Athens with a Second Millenium Library of Alexandra.

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The universe is way too large and and weird to make any assumption about the origin of one isolated signal. It is also way too large and weird to assume that life capable of sending such signal can not exist.

 

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I don't know, now I've read through this thread. I don't see something that makes this a real WOW type signal. One single station not far from cities an a air base hears "something" with no... Beat, music, words, or anything other than white noise. An this is a whoa, oh my, WOW. I don't think it is.

 

A very advanced civilization would not bother to send signals into distant star systems as they would have engineered a productive means of interstellar travel by then, but a pre-advanced civilization like our own might have done that in the distant past.

 

to be honest. if you think about it as aliens talking you could split the code 6equj5 into these there equal parts 6e.qu,j5 if you put this into google earth it will show part of the sea. this could be aliens giving the co ordinates to a crashed space ship. it would be deep under sea. but it could be a secret to the universe. if i had a sub i would definatley check it out and i am surprised nobody has

 

the wow signal frequency matched with hidrogen freq. it is the most adequate frequency to send a signal from one civ to another civ, thats suspicious however is not a clonclusive proof

 

If you don't count the holes that got punched in the beam line walls, which took a while to repair.

 

To be honest, it's really weird that we haven't heard anything from any intelligent life besides ourselves. I would think that any life with enough intelligence that knows about the universe would want themselves to be known, just as ancient civilisations made runestones and scrolls to preserve their culture to the afterworld, so should alien civilisations want to preserve their culture into the future, even if it means transmitting it to other worlds.

I would think that even if that transmission would take millions of years to reach us there is no reason why that civilisation didn't exist millions of years ago, so it could potentially reach us anytime. However, the power needed to make such a transmission along such a long path, would probably require that the transmission didn't last very long, so we could have missed it. It does seem awkward that the short transmission received by the Wow signal wasn't more obviously alien if they made such a attempt to let themselves be known.

Perhaps there is a solution to the energy requirements of sending such a signal, perhaps they could use the power of their sun or something, manipulate the solar flares or simply detonate some electromagnetic bomb that would burst the signal after collecting enough energy from some source, I don't think it is impossible at all for a advanced civilisation. One thing we could do would be to cancel the light of the sun at some large distance from it (it would take the size of the earth to cancel it at the position the earth is in, but smaller as the distance increases).

In fact, we could already have drawn the aliens attention simply by being on earth, perhaps they would have thought of the possibility of signalling using the stars, and seeing that the earth so perfectly match up to the sun could probably draw their attention (seems intelligent). Then again, since it happens so regularly they would probably dismiss it as just a planet orbiting.

I'm also wondering about a thing; when a much larger planet is between a star and the one observing, shouldn't the star completely vanish from sight when that happens? Instead it seems as if all the planets we find by looking at how they cover the star doesn't completely make the star vanish from sight, why is this? I know that eclipses could be rare, but not that rare, they should occasionally happen, and a really big star should cover the star completely right? I've never seen a star vanish that way. Perhaps it is because there is a limit to how large a planet can be, so that it can't cover the star completely in the distance that we look at it from?

 

i think if they want to preserve their culture or existence they would avoid showing themselves to the rest of the universe, steph hawkings said it could be very dangerous to send signals to space, because we dont know the nature of any hypothetical alien civ, it is the safer perspective.

i agree with the transmission taking millions of years travelling, or maybe they didnt develop the electromagnetic tecnology the way we did, when i see in pictures de vastness of universe its really really hard to think we are alone (its almost absurd)

sending masive electromagnetic pulses or interrupting the light of a star to stablish a communication could be confused with natural phenomenons.

provided the vastness of universe its very posible for a advanced civ to encounter civs like ours regularly, maybe they just get used to find this kind of planet, i really wish to see any proof of alien intelligence before i die, the simple idea of knowing there's another kind of lifeform really passionate me, deep inside thats the reason i become electronics and TELECOMMUNICATIONS engineer.

 

Yes indeed, it might be very dangerous, could also be that they know we exist but avoids us so that we can develop on our own. Also, perhaps it is safer to them so that we don't become as advanced as they are and thus can't be any problem to them

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Yes, and I think we would need to do it in a way so that it is undoubtably intelligent. Most natural phenomenas are cyclic or can be explained in a predictable way, so I guess we would need to make it unpredictable and at the same time perhaps encode a message like prime numbers which doesn't happen naturally. I think that any civilisation should be able to count, so perhaps bursts of electromagnetic pulses with pauses to represent numbers could be enough for them to try to decode the message within the bursts.

If they are very intelligent then I would think they know about electromagnetic radiation, could be that they have developed a way to signal faster than the speed of light? Making any distances irrelevant (if we develop such a technology then we would find any civilisation in no-time I guess). If a alien civilisation would message using electromagnetic pulses, then I bet they would message how to send messages faster than the speed of light (if it is even possible).

It would indeed be very fascinating, it could happen any day

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Perhaps they are just waiting until our civilisation becomes more peaceful?

 

Personal favourite is in regards to Quantum Mechanics, the Signal was actually a paradox from a Future spacial position that we will eventually exist in reference of, the questions are how long will it be before it's recreated and if we actually recreate it? If this was proven to be an accurate answer, will it then cause more questions in our current sciences than it poses to solve?

 

There is good reason to believe that we might be the only intelligent species in our galaxy, that many glaxies have no ET's, and that few have more than one.

While life seems likely to exist elsewhere, intelligent life is likely to be very rare.

 

I doubt it actually came from aliens. You would think that they would have been able to interpret this message as being something tangible by now. I don't even think they would even attempt to send a signal using this method. Shoot, even in Star Trek it takes a complete overhaul of their stations and antenna systems that has to be reconfigured to even be able to send or receive that kind of transmission. It would like saying that we would advertise to the whole galaxy that we are here to any other aliens in the galaxy, I never heard of anyone getting any bright ideas that they should send signals to aliens this way. If we don't try to send them signals why would they be trying to send the same signals to us?

If there was a better way to send signals across the vastness of space, I doubt that they would even use our current methods. We already know things can happen at an action at a distance in quantum physics, we just don't know how to take advantage of it. You would think that an absence of alien electromagnetic signals would imply this as a possibility if you assume that they do actually exist out there somewhere. Either that or they all suffer from the same phobia of alien take overs.

It was most likely a signal that bounced off the atmosphere or something from Earth. They have been known to be able to travel much further in the right atmospheric conditions.

 

We have absolutely no idea if govs have heard signals from out there. Ask yourself what would the gov do to keep this quiet if they got a message?

I personally believe that at end of ww2, the world govs main ones came together to make the cold war as a way to weaponise earth against an alien invasion coming sometime in decades from now(they where given a time limit back at end of ww2). It was decided back then, as this was the first time that the human race had the techs to discover they where already here.

Thats why the explosion of ufo and alien stuff happened after ww2, as we first became advanced enough to be a threat to them, and actually find there bases or cities on earth.
The groups that where always here, knew that mankind will find them with techs just after as we became advanced enough to find them by the end of ww2. I assume usa and russian govs know where all the underground bases are today on earth are.

So saying whether we find a signal from space is rather useless, as i think our main govs found them already here. Its just that we could not do anything about it back at end of ww2.

The whole cold war was set up as a way to weaponise the earth and get techs like complete electronic mind control working, to turn humans from savages into beings capable of living with others in the universe.

Well i assume people alive today will see this happen in there lifes, as the time limit given to the govs back then is now only decades away. The mind control techs they set out to develop to change the whole human race is nearly there now. They want to be able to control the masses no matter what happens. Thats when i think this alien invasion thing will happen. The time limit is decades away now, and i think the techs are on target, and nearly there to control the human race no matter what.

Back 100 years ago, humans where still mainly savages, thats why the alien disclosure thing was given this long timetable thing.

 

you just pointed a very interesting idea "the Faster-than-light communication", i have read about it lot of times and it really fascinated me, the advantages are overhwelming; you dont need to send mass to destination, your signal can theoretically reach any part of the universe instantaneously

 

Using current physics it is impossible though as QM forbits information to travel faster than the speed of light. However QM also give hints that everything is actually connected to everything else, in some way it could be possible to create some kind of quantum worm-hole

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I know it sounds very "out there" but yet i think there could be a way. It is possible that this worm-hole can only be very minute though as it has to work on the quantum scale.