God does not follow the first principle of morality. Why not?

What about your wifes breast... is that ok? Fact is, the infant is doing so for sustenance, not sexual pleasure.

Ten commandments said, "That shalt not kill." It did not say, "Thou shalt not kill unless told to do so by a superior officer." It also doesn't mention defense or whether it's ok for us to kill bacteria or hunt... It really is a vague commandment. He should have put more thought into that...

Anyway the only thing you've demonstrated is that Morality is Not Absolute, but rather- dictated by the wants of a society.
In a cannibalistic society, killing and eating brains is fine. But its not fine in ours. We don't want to be eaten. We're funny that way. We evolved avoiding predators. But in a society that has very limited options for food- such extremes can seem admissible when necessary. When one is trying to scare the holy living crap out of the enemy, too, it seems.

It's fine to kill in ours- if you're a soldier. It's fine to commit sodomy- if you're gay. It's fine to send an 18 year old to war, but it's not ok to take Terry Schiavo off life support. We don't mind some kid getting killed for his country, but no one wants to be taken off of life support. It's not ok to have sex with a child in our society because no one wants their babies sexed up. But it is ok to hand condoms to a child because no one wants to have to raise an early grandkid.
Our MonkeySphere behavior and influence determine what we decide is moral or not.

And our concepts for morality don't always make a whole lot of sense.

 

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hence if morality has such a diverse range of applications even on the platform of mundane society, it doesn't follow to offer a caricature rendition when taking it to issues beyond it

 

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The point is that what is morally reprehensible or not, is relative.

I might find it reprehensible to approve of wife-beating. But perhaps God doesn't. Perhaps God believes that wives should be beaten.

As things stand, I would have to take a human's word for it that God approves of wife-beating. I resent that.

This is not funny.

 

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It does if "God" is as much a product of societies wants as "morality" is.

 

That's just word salad. What is that 'we' part you speak of? Our personality? Our personality that relies on a working brain? One would have thought if there were such thing as a spirit, it would be able to operate without the requirement of a fully working brain, so brain damage would not impair us, the 'spirit' would find a way to express itself. Yet we know brain damage impairs us, and that rather puts a dent in any notion of an external spirit that could endure post mortem.

 

then once again you are dealing with a non-standard definition of god that cannot anymore be held accountable for floods, famines etc than you can.
:shrug:

 

sure .. hence you have morality relevant for soldiers, parents, children and even dogs ... and on top of this, god, who enjoys an ontological category that belongs exclusively to him.

I dunno
sounds like a rather radical interpretation of the last verse of siksastakam or something

I guess its quite possible that someone could either have a wife that looks like a mrdanga or a mrdanga that looks like his wife and they might only notice their error when they sit down to eat a meal cooked by their mrdanga.
:shrug:

 

Was Jesus evil?
God/Jesus sent him or himself, depending on how deep your delusion goes, to be punished and die.

How was your ticket to heaven purchased? With innocent blood?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dzuxyq3ltls&feature=player_embedded

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DL

 

Not surprising that you get into trouble because all those questions you should have your own answers to and I am not interested in your trying to deflect away from the O P.

"The Supreme Being (SB) (GOD; if and only if - there is a SB)is not subject to the limitations of humanity"

Have you not made up your mind as to whether there is a God or not?
If not, get off the fence and speak your beliefs.

As to limitations, God seems to have many. He cannot even reproduce a true son and had to use another man.s woman and produce a half breed chimera. Did God pay child support or was he a deadbeat dad?

I agree with your last.

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DL

 

I too believe it is all myth but if I am to engage theists, I have to get into their mind set.

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DL

 

+ 1

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DL

 

This would make a lot of sense except for the fact that the bible says that mankind has inherited the capability of becoming as Gods, God's own words in Genesis, in the moral sense, when A & E ate of the tree of knowledge.

Those who do not judge God and his morals are thowing away their inherited rights.

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DL

 

Mundane!

Tell us my friend, are morals to be self-centered or are they to be centered towards others?
Should you do unto others first or do unto yourself?

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DL

 

I've posted a response to the first of these two, which I think incorporates the second one as well. I'd be intersted to see GIA's response to me.

 

I can't agree with you here. That God is not subject to the limitations of humanity is certainly true, but compassion, righteousness, justice and so forth are not limitations. God attributes these to His own character. See Exodus 34:6-7. "The Lord, the compassionate and gracious God, slow to anger, abounding in love and faithfulness, maintaining love to thousands, and forgiving wickedness, rebellion, and sin. Yet He does not leave the guilty unpunished."

 

yes
as opposed to being relevent to circumstances dictated by eternity, being beyond birth and death, etc.

I already explained how reciprocation in a moral context depends entirely on the playing parties.

eg

If you don't believe me, just try any of these exercises :

fondle your mothers breast (assuming that you are not a 9 month old baby)
shoot someone with an automatic rifle (assuming you are not a solider engaged in the theatre of war)
repeatedly engage in acts like incest, rape, theft and J walking (assuming you are not a dog or a donkey)
gain employment as a prison guard yet only get paid about 1/17th of the lowest wage bracket and not be allowed to go home for several years (assuming you aren't convicted of a crime and sent there, despite your employment credentials)

depends entirely on who the other is and what is to be done.
For instance, should a prison guard release the prisoners under his care to do unto others?

IOW what is apparent in your analysis of the whole god thing on any one of your numerous threads is a type of cripple minded thinking that doesn't even address the varied positions of personalities even in mundane society, what to speak of god, a person who is above and beyond any other inhabitant of the universe.
:shrug:

 

That would make a lot of sense except that its not a fact. I think you would be hard pressed to find a source outside of your own fertile and probably drug induced imagination that states how A & E became omnipresent creators, maintainers and annhilaters of all universes by eating from the tree of knowledge

Its becoming more and more apparent that you are simply confused. Understanding that distinct constitutional differences between god and the living entity is less than the ABC of spiritual life. Even those religions that do advocate in some sort of radical (and arguably foolish) manner that the living entity can come to be the omnipresent, summum bonum god have their wits about them to declare that this occurs only on a platform above and beyond the type of mundane morality and petty envy of god that you are wallowing in.
:shrug:

 

I did so. See you there but not tonight.

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DL

 

Then he did not love them if he has to go from correction and discipline to punishment.
In human parenting terms, if a parent must go to punishment, it is likely that they have failed to correct and discipline properly and the shame of having to punish is their's, not the child's.

Proverbs 3:12
For whom the LORD loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth.

Your God says that he hates some even in the womb. They are not yet born and are hated. Quite the unconditional love by a God whose first moral principle, as you stated at the other post, is LOVE.

Quite a contradiction my friend.

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DL