Talking About What Martial Arts Styles...........

Amused by the term "self defense". Anyone could take martial arts classes then use their skills to mug people. Same with guns.

Haven't figured out why people don't use tazers to mug people. Would certainly eliminate the need to be threatening or give them the opportunity to defend themselves. Some victim wants to act like he's bruce lee instead of handing over his wallet/her purse? Taze em'.

May also help my potential legal woes. An assault change would be much better than a murder charge ..... which is what happens when someone calls your bluff if you're mugging them at gunpoint.

 

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In my experience (and speaking in very general terms), persons that attempt to acquire others property via criminal acts do so as an alternative to earning that property by working at a standard job. They do not have the ability or drive or desire to spend long hours learning self discipline so they can obtain clear cut goals of self improvement. If they could get those skills by taking a pill they would no doubt do so. Same with guns - the majority of shooters can't shoot for squat, they are not NRA members and spend no time in serious practice. You don't need to be good if you are pointing the pistol in someones face so you (generally) aren't.

Here in the metro Detroit area folks use tazers to rob other folks...and worse.

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Same technical skill sets apply with those on both sides of the equation.

I gotta agree with you there, would prefer to avoid any charges at all if I can, which is why I run those 7 miles every day. My first choice as regards self defense is avoidance, my second is to run - and I am sure that I am able to do that both fast and far.

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7 miles Running Stoniphi. In the other big D. Not Dallas. I did 7 miles a long time ago. I did not like it.

In Florida a UF student got "tazed". Now there is a saying. As far as I know around Florida. ...Don't taze me bro! He said it before he was tazed. It was in the papers, like 2-3 years ago. I recall seeing shirts with the phrase. And I was told of a bunch of "drunks" at a get togather using those shock dog collers.

 

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I've heard that some states in America have a stand your ground law, I'd have thought the right to defend yourself, your family and friends when attacked is a given. But apparently not if you shoot someone (at least not everywhere).
Everyone's heard about people who caught burglars in their house, that they beat them up who are later get sued by the burglar. I guess the minimal force rule applys to civilians as well as police.

Here in Australia recently a Brazilian student who was tripping out on LSD who died after being repeatedly tasered whilst handcuffed and held down by a whole group of cops. They emptied two large bottles of mace into this guy face because he was trying to roll over.
He was in pain and tripping, he didn't know what was happening to him.
They just held him down and continued to blast him with the electricity, he died of positional asphyxia. Because every-time he tried to change his position he was zapped and Mased until he was unconscious.

So the question is should the taser be banned? My opinion is no. However, it shouldn't be used as a complacence tool after the person is handcuffed. I've experienced positional asphyxia myself when I first started grappling. You develop a tolerance to being held in tight positions after awhile but it's not pleasant. The point is that you can tap out at any time, and the person who your grappling with knows what's happening to you.
The guy was killed by professionally trained cops, who were supposed to know how to safely used these things and they are in big trouble.
I think that if these cop had have had martial arts training in grappling they'd have been better able to control this guy without resorting to devices. Also they'd have understood what positional asphyxia is.

 

I am big wolf, yea yea yea yea yea yea gyooooooooooooo. One must be pumped.

 

What?

What's this gotta do with the op or the thread? Do you need a "timeout"?.....

 

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I think this is the ideal sequence.

1. Be as strong and flexible as possible, esp the triceps, quads, abs, and grip strength.

2. Learn how to block with the elbows.

3. Learn Judo take downs that dont include the sacrifice of your own standing position.

5. Learn joint breaking in the style of Aikido.

You have to be able to walk away without relying on the opponent's admission of defeat.

 

Cops carry batons...are they not allowed to use them?

 

Me too...'defence' is nothing more than blocking and dodging.

Just that alone isnt going to get you out of big trouble in little China.

 

Even before starting, a person really has to think about HOW they want to win.

There was an article a few years ago in a Martial Arts magazine by a researcher who tried to determine the stats on how most streets fights are ended.

He discovered that most are ended by a punch to the jaw or temple area...punches to the forehead are ineffective.

The second most common ending was a kick to the head or throat while the subject is on their knees or lower.

 

Also of value is determining the most common forms of attack or initiation.

1. The two handed shove to the chest.
2. Attempt to headlock or choke hold.
3. Grabbing of both arms while pushing.
4. Kick or knee to the groin.

 

I would think JIU JITSU would be the best apparoach for someone with a bumb leg--less jumping around. It's been something I've wanted to try but haven't taken the time.

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Someone mentioned earlier using self defense techniques to rob an such. If you do you are using them offensively. Most "teachers" of any fighting art would not teach people to wrongly use there fighting style on purpose. Its the individual. And a friend told me. That they dishonor themselves. And that they shame themselves by using the fighting styles wrongly in many peoples opinion. I don't know how true that is

 

You don't know whether it is wrong to rob someone?
You don't know whether there is shame in committing robbery?

 

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No. Wrong and shameful. In using the fighting style for a offensive purpose to commit crimes.

 

Then what did you mean by "I don't know how true that is"
when you said

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The shame is you had it not. Do not rob, but let it be that the gold had been yours.

 

that they shame themselves by using the fighting styles wrongly in many peoples opinion, I don't know how true that is. But I myself think they do.

 

In a Brazilian Jujitsu school, which has a slight connection with the one I trained at, they had some issues with students misusing what they’d learned. When it first opened some of the students therebelonged to a type of surf street gang. Being territorial, this gang didn't like kids or younger surfers who are not members of the gang to surfing in their areas. Like any many cowards, they don’t seem to confront older surfers, who are not so easily intimidated.

It was discovered that these guys were using their jujitsu to choke out Grommy little kids and leave them unconscious on the sand or rocks.
When the instructor found out about this, he had some of the other guys in the club blocked the doors, whilst he and some of the more advanced students choked out the ringleaders after mauling them quite a bit.
They were carried out on to the footpath unconscious with their clothes and gear, and they did not come back.