The Ultimate Deception: Journey Into Light or Darkness?

We are born and then we die. Our lives here take on many paths, a search for peace, happiness, joy, love.. A search for meaning, for identity for purpose.. Many of us are driven by our own need to know, the search for truth and thirst for more knowledge.. Leaving us still empty and void. Some have had encounters in "the light" have been told "the truth" but still feel empty and void, even fearful. The fact is we will live on when we are gone, we will be.. Many will be decieved by the voices of the supreme beings, and will laugh and scoff at the one true Supreme being..Jehova, Elshadi, Elohim, etc. Hearts become hardend beyond hearing the soft voice of grace, the soft voice of truth, the soft voice of love.. We will live on, in life or in death.. Through the dark corridors of the earth are harmonious peace above the core of the earth. Do not forget who we were all created after, who loves each one of us beyond measure and who has the power to change all of us, who has given us power to all who dare to believe, who dare to stand up for Him.
Jesus is the answer for the world today above him theirs no other Jesus is the way...................................

 

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Yes, Jesus is the way, the truth and the light of love...

Thank you, Micah!

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Many are and will be decieved by "the Proof" of "the beings of light". The world has already accepted the New Age as the most growning religion in the world. Psycics, ESP, TM, and many other techniques of the "New Age" are accepted and performed even by the elite in our government. Why are so many angered at the thought of Christ. Why is it that even His name sparks emotions of hatred.. The time is coming when all christians will be persecuted, and the elite "new agers" will rule the world.. The ultimate price, is an eternity away from God, and into torment..

 

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Just who the bleep are you Micha????
Why do you keep using such words as, "the light".. "the truth".. "the Proof" of
"the beings of light"?????????? WHO ARE YOU?????????

 

LOL, Nostradamus returns, new name? Micah!

 

I am a voice who speaks for the Most High Supreme Being El Shaddai; a voice and a soul who walks in the power of Christ. I am a friend, who has come to tell you that you are not forgotten, that you are loved and Christ wants you to be apart of his kingdom to share in his joy and peace.... Your life has purpose and you were known and loved before the beginning of time. There is a battle in the 3rd deminsion now, a war in the heavenlies, the forces of good and evil are fighting for your soul, the forces of darkness have plans for you in the next world... they will not let you go without a fight.. I have come to tell you that your cries have been heard and search for truth and meaning will be understood if you call out his name; J E S U S He weeps for you, and has sent me to tell you that he cannot change your will, he cannot reach you until you desire to truly know him................

 

Well..the last person I desire to know is him..so why would he tell you this..being that he knows so much????

hahaha...Come on...Let's think about this LOGICALLY for a minute. Why would anyone be
fighting for my soul???? I do not serve darkness nor do I serve Jesus...
The Spirit of Truth has sought me out..and I
am MORE than content with that.

Come on...who is this????? Lori, TS, ISDAMan, or Vinnie????????? Why would you pose as someone else???????? Cause I know whoever this is knows something about me..so
fess up already.

 

Then you have already made your choice..........

 

YES

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Our quest for knowing the truth sends us in many directions. Some search for truth in the craft, or in eastern religions, etc. The quest for the truth can last for decades and put us in long debates, hours of research, and in conversations that we must "prove" ourselves as right. Some have encountered the truth, and believe through proof, so they believe what has been told without question.. Until one discovers that none of this really matters, that our minds are really futile to God, that our knowlege is worthless to him, then the power of the truth will be made available to us.. It is the death of ourselves the surrender of our will and the desire for the one true God to take control of the life that we try so hard to control and to know that brings knowledge and true freedom...

 

Wrong answer!
Look...truth by proof is by far greater than
truth in an unprovable God. I HAVE truth..and I didn't have to get it via
God/Jesus. So the truth which I have discovered means a hell of a lot to me!
I could care less if God approves or not...
Look, if he is real..none of this concerns him anyway... I don't want him..I don't need him... I certainly do not agree with his ways
that the bible has portrayed. So sorry.

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Hey Flash,

How many people who care about you have to tell you the same exact thing before you listen? How many times do you have to be told the very same thing about yourself before you look in the mirror and realize that there's a chance you're not looking at things objectively? People do that all of the time. I know this because is it hard for me to do myself. It's not easy to be objective in self-analysis, and it is a smart person who will listen to the message, even if it is not easy to hear. But I will tell you from experience, that as difficult as it is to do, it is the meaning of your life. It is the only way to know the truth that we all seek our entire lives. You say that you want the truth, but can't you see that you only want the truth that supports the idea that you are perfect and sinless and have absolutely nothing to learn in this life and that you have all of the answers already and if the truth doesn't match up with those answers you reject it arbitrarily? You do that constantly. And why would you not believe me? I have been your friend for over a year, and I consider us close, albeit not in physical proximity, and you know I'm not crazy, and only want the best for you so that you can be happy for a change.

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I finally get to be the cheerleader that I always wanted to be but could not, as I was not a fluff chick.

 

AHA! I see what's going on here - Flash, ignore Micha's post - s/he is just posting the same message in at least one other thread (my "Fear of God, Fear of witches).

Gotcha, Micha!

 

Frank Zappa
Dumb all over
(Zappa)
From the album You are what you is, 1981, (Bark 2-Barking PW2-37537)

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Whoever we are
Wherever we're from
We shoulda noticed by now
Our behavior is dumb
And if our chances
Expect to improve
It's gonna take a lot more
Than tryin' to remove
The other race
Or the other whatever
From the face
Of the planet altogether

They call it THE EARTH
Which is a dumb kinda name
But they named it right
'Cause we behave the same...
*We are dumb all over*
Dumb all over,
Yes we are
Dumb all over,
Near 'n far
Dumb all over,
Black 'n white
People, we is not wrapped tight

Nurds on the left
Nurds on the right
Religous fanatics
On the air every night
Sayin' the Bible
Tells the story
Makes the details
Sound real gory
'Bout what to do
If the geeks over there
Don't believe in the book
We got over here

You can't run a race
Without no feet
'N pretty soon
There won't be no street
For dummies to jog on
Or doggies to dog on
Religous fanatics
Can make it be all gone
(I mean it won't blow up
'N disappear
It'll just look ugly
For a thousand years...)

You can't run a country
By a book of religion
Not by a heap
Or a lump or a smidgeon
Of foolish rules
Of ancient date
Designed to make
You all feel great
While you fold, spindle
And mutilate
Those unbelievers
From a neighboring state


TO ARMS! TO ARMS!
Hooray! That's great
Two legs ain't bad
Unless there's a crate
They ship the parts
To mama in
For souvenirs: two ears *(Get Down!)*
Not his, not hers, *(but what the hey?)*
The Good Book says:
*("It gotta be that way!")*
But their book says:
*"REVENGE THE CRUSADES...
With whips 'n chains
'N hand grenades..."*
TWO ARMS? TWO ARMS?
Have another and another
Our God says:
*"There ain't no other!"*
Our God says
*"It's all okay!"*
Our God says
*"This is the way!"*

It says in the book:
*"Burn 'n destroy...*
*'N repent, 'n redeem*
*'N revenge, 'n deploy*
*'N rumble thee forth*
*To the land of the unbelieving scum on
the other side*
*'Cause they don't go for what's in the
book*
*'N that makes 'em BAD*
*So verily we must choppeth them up*
*And stompeth them down*
*Or rent a nice French bomb*
*To poof them out of existance
*While leaving their real estate just where
we need it*
*To use again*
*For temples in which to praise
OUR GOD*
*("Cause he can really take care of
business!")*

And when his humble TV servant
With humble white hair
And humble glasses
And a nice brown suit
And maybe a blond wife who takes
phone calls
Tells us our God says
It's okay to do this stuff
Then we gotta do it,
'Cause if we don't do it,
We ain't gwine up to *hebbin!*
(Depending on which book you're using
at the time...Can't use theirs... it don't work
...it's all lies...Gotta use mine...)
Ain't that right?
That's what they say
Every night...
Every day...
Hey, we can't really be dumb
If we're just following *God's Orders*
Hey, let's get serious...
God knows what he's doin'
He wrote this book here
An' the book says:
*He made us all to be just like Him,"
so...
If we're dumb...
Then God is dumb...
*(An' maybe even a little ugly on the side)*


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Wow, that's real impressive Flash. So this is where you get your "divine" truth from? Soooo, can you pray to Frank for forgivenss or what? You think he's going to save us and the world huh? Wow, you are getting more and more profoundly dumb every day. Maybe it's your choice in music? The fact is Flash, that once again, moron (and I apologize, but honestly), you can not logically blame Jesus and the Christian faith itself for the sin in this world. Jesus was the ONLY sinless man to ever walk this earth. The faith, if not twisted and misinterpreted and taken out of context like you always do, denounces all of the sin that you speak of constantly, whether the sin is committed in the name of Jesus or not. You are a fool. Let me point out that your perception of the Bible is the same twisted pile of crap that motivates the same Christians that you hate so much. In blaming the faith for the sins of Christians, you are consequently buying into the same bogus twisted ideas and interpretations that lead to such sin in the first place. For example, do you really think that there is anything in the Bible that legitimately supports the efforts of the KKK? Do you think that there is anything in the Bible that supports the bombing of abortion clinics? How about gay-bashing and hate crimes? Do you think that's all taught in the Bible? Obviously you do, since that's always the reason's that you give to deny the faith. But in reality, the Bible gives a crystal clear message that totally denounces all of the above mentioned behaviours as sin. Explain that. That's right, you won't because you don't care, you just don't want to believe the truth anyway right? You don't WANT the truth.

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I finally get to be the cheerleader that I always wanted to be but could not, as I was not a fluff chick.

 

Lori--

I'm quoting you here:

"For example, do you really think that there is anything in the Bible that legitimately supports the efforts of the KKK? Do you think that there is anything in the Bible that supports the bombing of abortion clinics? How about gay-bashing and hate crimes? Do you think that's all taught in the Bible? Obviously you do, since that's always the reason's that you give to deny the faith. But in reality, the Bible gives a crystal clear message that totally denounces all of the above mentioned behaviours as sin." (1/13/2000)

I truly, truly believe you're missing a set of considerations. I also truly believe that these considerations mean nothing to you, since you really haven't ever given them fair consideration. Have you read "To Kill a Mockingbird"? Read the scene when Walter Cunningham comes home for lunch with Scout and Jem. Pay attention to Atticus. What he's describing is the fair consideration I claim you to be missing.

Otherwise, you would realize a certain number of things ... please, try to take them as a corporate body of ideas, to be taken in their sum total. Because I'm sick of arguing line-by-line. I can take each line from Dante's "Inferno", if I wanted, and scrutinize it the way we've been doing in these threads ... that act will gain me nothing as compared to the whole of the "Inferno" as a literary body. Thus:

* It is arguable that most of Western Civilization is influenced by Christian institutions.

* It is arguable that many of the heinous acts of Western History were motivated by individuals who claim to have received the Word.

* It is acceptable to assess these heinous acts, to determine if they realized their alleged goal, or if the sum of their outcomes was a positive or negative force in terms of history or the contemporary societal condition.

* In light of the vast number of negative outcomes, we have arrived here.

* Some of the alleged Christians at Exosci seem to think that the history that brought Christianity to its level of influence has no bearing on their faith.

* Nonetheless, it seems odd that these figures of history could have the "wrong" version of God, and that the individuals of the contemporary era have the "right" version of God.

* Thus ... how can YOU be sure of the propriety of YOUR OWN INTERPRETATION of God? Can your moral decisions possibly lead to human tragedies or disgraces?

* In light of this, how can you expect someone in Flash's position to simply accept what you say on faith? Especially when you refuse to give fair consideration to the issues that muddle the vision of faith?

It amazes me how all of the curve-blowing brilliance among this forum's alleged Christians never produces anything but pure faith. I understand that faith is supposed to be inherently correct ... but what happens when Judgement Day comes and one-billion Christians have been reading the manual wrong?

"B-b-b-b-but God, I didn't know!"
IS THAT MY PROBLEM?
"But I read the Bible and believed in Jesus and followed your Will."
HOW DO YOU KNOW WHAT MY WILL IS?
"I read it in the Bible."
AND FROM THAT YOU HAVE DETERMINED THE NATURE OF MY WILL?
"It's all I need, isn't it? Isn't that what you said?"
IT'S WHAT THE EDITORS SAID. BUT THAT'S IRRELEVANT.
"But God, I tried--"
YES, AND YOU FAILED.
"But Jesus forgave our sins!"
AND YOU TOOK THAT TO MEAN YOU COULD USE MY NAME AS A SCOURGE AGAINST PEOPLE?
"But you said you hate--"
IT MATTERS NOT WHAT I HATE, FOR I AM THE LORD, AND MY WILL GOES BEYOND PETTY HATRED.
"But ... but ... but--"
YOU CHOSE TO GROW FAT ON MY BLESSINGS, AND NEVER TURN YOUR HEART TOWARD WHAT THEY MEAN. BLIND OBEDIENCE HAS DISGRACED MY NAME, AND THAT CANNOT BE. SHOULD IT BE SAID THAT MY CHURCH IS FOR THE LAZY OF SPIRIT? SHOULD IT BE SAID THAT MY WILL IS FOR THE UNJUST? SHOULD IT BE SAID THAT THE SALVATION I GAVE IN MY SON JESUS IS MEANT FOR POLITICS AND EARTHLY WILL? SHOULD IT BE SAID THAT MY NAME WAS MEANT FOR DOMINION AND EARTHLY RICHES?
"But, my Lord--"
SHOULD IT BE SAID THAT MY CHILDREN WASTE MY WILL--AND MY NAME--IN VAIN?


So, Lori ... what's the answer? I'll guess on your behalf here that "God is Love, and that he gave Jesus to forgive our sins. Praise Jesus!"

But I'm actually more interested in your perspective, not my summary of the predictable.

That's exactly the reason we don't abandon two-thousand years of secular progress and hop on the bandwagon of your "truth".

So it seems Flash can't handle the truth, doesn't want to believe the truth, and doesn't want the truth.

Lori, why aren't you on television, spreading your truth? After all, it's becoming apparent to the rest of us that you're among the extremely limited number of people who get to know it at this point. Goshy--over a billion Christians who don't have your exact perspective. Oh, wait ... lemme guess here ... since they say they love Jesus, they're all doing the right thing.

Jumping on the Christian bandwagon--considering the results of so many "individuals" before, I think many people of other faiths will wait before hopping on. I mean, it's the equivalent of doing hedgework with a 20-gauge shotgun. You're going to question the wisdom, right? Or are you going to get the shotgun and start taking out the junipers because you think your father told you to.

Does that make any sense to you? Even after people say--these crimes of the past are in the past--they still have to consider the fact that nobody in the modern era knows what Christ's true message was. We aren't going to accept--purely on faith--a model that has never worked practically. That's not God's fault ... but it's a fifty-fifty shot at eternal damnation if we dishonor God or is Will. It's an equal shot that God is not restricted to that ONE BOOK (that we realize is not the entirety of your library--what is it, a third?) and that other of Its answers can be found in other facets of life.

Actually, I'm not so worried that it won't make sense to you. After all, nothing has, yet, in these threads. But on the other hand, I still have yet to see any inkling that you actually care about these questions. I have yet to see that you regard your faith as anything but crystalline and proper.

And that alone, if I recall, is enough to irk the Really Big Cheese come McJudgement Day.

--Tiassa

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Take a side you say, it's black and gray. And all the hunters take the hunted merrily out to play. We are one, you say, but who are you? You're all too busy reaping in the things you never sown. And this beast must go on and on and on .... Nobody gives a damn. (Floater; "Beast")

 

Tiassa, you crack me up! McJudgement day!

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Your last post reminds me of yet another Simpsons quote:

Bart: "Hey Dad, what religion are you?"

Homer: "You know, the one with all the well meaning rules that don't work out in real life? Mmm....Christianity!"

Homer, Homer, Homer. So stupid, and yet sometimes they give him the best lines.

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tiassa,

Your perception always seems to come down to Christianity as a body "social" in which you seem to think people "align" themselves. As has been explained to you many times, such is not the case... Christianity is not a "social" club. The Christianity which Lori, myself, and some others speak of on this board does not look to other human beings to define Christianity as you do. We look to Jesus Christ, who is the objective foundation of Christianity.

I know you are intelligent enough to realize that we are ALL sinners, Christians and non-Christians alike. If one wanted to set up "camps" and judge the relative "social" value of Christianity vs non-Christianity in order to pledge allegiance to either based on the number of atrocities commited by each "camp," then one must look at every single historical and contemporary atrocity ever commited, in order to come to an "objective" rather than a "subjective" conclusion about the amount of atrocities commited by each camp.

Now, with the world being our oyster here, can you tell any of us how many atrocities have been commited by non-Christians as opposed to those which are commited in the name of God/Jesus Christ? Did those under Hitler's regime commit their atrocities in the name of Jesus Christ? If not, then, non-Christians have Hitler and all those who served in his regime. How about those mass-murderers whose names have popped up on this board recently... Jeffrey Dahmer, Ted Bundy, etc... did they commit their acts in the name of Jesus Christ? If not, then, they also belong to the non-Christian "camp" which you seem to want to form... I think you get the drift. Should the acts of Hitler's regime, the Dahmers and the Bundys of the world be defined by the group's or the individual's non-Christianity? I think not.

As well-read as you or anyone else might be, I doubt if anyone could collect the true data necessary to assertain the relative facts about every atrocity that has ever been commited.

Even if they could, however, it would still not speak to "spiritual" Christianity. You see, Christianity is not a body "social." It is a matter of personal, "spiritual" salvation through Jesus Christ.

As advanced as the secular world has become, the spiritual world needs to get up to speed. It is up to each and every one of us as individuals to do our part... To walk with each other in the love of Jesus Christ so that the world might advance in peace.

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Tiassa,

You crack me up too, but it's not your sense of humor, it's your blatent arrogance and profound ignorance regarding the topic at hand. You are about as spiritual as a brick, and here, come to find out, that's apparently the perspective necessary to see the truth about God? Have you examined YOUR approach to this at all, or are you so blinded by your assumption that I have put as little or less effort into my search as you? Are you aware of exactly what your approach boils down to? Relying on others to find God for you. I suppose that you are too old, lazy, or cynical to even try anymore, and it's apparent that you never did give it an honest effort, even though you consider yourself a former Christian. You obviously missed the boat just like all of those historical sinning Christians that you rely on for your spiritual guidance. What did you expect? You're only looking at the people who obviously DIDN'T get the message very well if at all. Has that always been your approach to learning? To seek understanding by focusing on the aspect of the study that is least relevant to your understanding? No wonder you're so...never mind. Tiassa, you're one of those lazy self-pitying people who wants someone to put God in a bottle and sell Him to you over the counter with an instruction manual. If you were only to realize the MOST important thing, rather than the LEAST important thing, then you would find God too. If you were only to realize just how easy it really is. Do you want to know what you have to do? To honestly seek understanding through the Word of God with an open mind and a humble heart. That's it. Period. There's even a guarantee from God Himself. That's all you have to do, but you would rather waste your time thinking up new and illogical excuses as to why you won't do that. It's your choice, but don't blame me because you don't understand.


"I truly, truly believe you're missing a set of considerations. I also truly believe that these considerations mean nothing to you, since you really haven't ever given them fair consideration. Have you read "To Kill a Mockingbird"? Read the scene when Walter Cunningham comes home for lunch with Scout and Jem. Pay attention to Atticus. What he's describing is the fair consideration I claim you to be missing."

See, this is what disturbs me about you. I have not read "To Kill a Mockingbird". I've never been much of a fiction buff. So I have no idea what set of considerations you are talking about. But regardless, are you seriously trying to tell me that you don't get the point that I was trying to make? Why are you so arbitrarily arguementative? That's what I mean about having a point. You don't argue with me to convey a point. You argue with me for the sake of arguement alone many times, and it is a waste of space on this board. Like when I said something about blowing the curve on so many tests in the context of trying to break through your paradigm that Christians only believe because they just haven't thought about it intelligently. Unless you're mentally retarded, you certainly had to get the rather basic point that I was making by saying that I'm no spoon-fed dummy. But instead of getting my point, you start some nonsensical ranting about bell curves and such, as if you didn't understand? Listen, I have nothing against you if you're really retarded, but I would at least appreciate it if you would just let us all know so we can compose our responses accordingly??????

"* It is arguable that many of the heinous acts of Western History were motivated by individuals who claim to have received the Word."

You are being awfully subjective here, for someone who likes objectivity so much. By many, do you mean some, or most, or what? It's a very relative term and I again fail to see a point. Is your point that since the people who committed the heinous acts claim to have received the Word that the Word supports their acts? Is that your point?

"* It is acceptable to assess these heinous acts, to determine if they realized their alleged goal, or if the sum of their outcomes was a positive or negative force in terms of history or the contemporary societal condition.

* In light of the vast number of negative outcomes, we have arrived here.

* Some of the alleged Christians at Exosci seem to think that the history that brought Christianity to its level of influence has no bearing on their faith."

Are you questioning whether heinous acts produce negative outcomes????? ROFLMAO! Well, no shoot sherlock. How long did it take you to come up with that one? LOL!

Listen Tiassa, I have no problem identifying a heinous act when I see one, whether it is committed in the name of God or otherwise. So the answer to your ASSUMPTION (which is also irritating in that instead of just asking you always assume) is no, the heinous acts of Christians throughout history don't have a bearing on my faith. To the degree that I can look at these sins, and identify them as sins due to their apparent consequence and their identification within the Word of God. I also have noted on this site before, not that you ever hear anything I say, that I believe, as it is said in the Bible, that those sins against God that are committed in His name somehow hold more weight, or negative consequence for God and for us all, than other sins that are not committed in the name of God.

"* Nonetheless, it seems odd that these figures of history could have the "wrong" version of God, and that the individuals of the contemporary era have the "right" version of God.

* Thus ... how can YOU be sure of the propriety of YOUR OWN INTERPRETATION of God? Can your moral decisions possibly lead to human tragedies or disgraces?"

Quite honestly, it seems that in this imperfect world of ours, that we chose to create of our own free will, that we all have our own interpretation of God. Well, except for you who it seems are looking for one to adopt to save the effort. And the answer to your question is yes, duh, my moral decisions can and do lead to human tragedies and disgraces. Don't yours? That's how I see God. By sure in my interpretation do you mean that I'm sure that I understand EVERYTHING EXACTLY CORRECTLY??????? Are you supposing that I think I'm God Himself? Listen Tiassa, there is an ideal out there. A perfect state of being. Human tragedy, disgrace, pain, and death are all an obvious result of straying from the ideal. The Bible calls this act of straying from the ideal sin. Now listen here, OBJECTIVELY, if you look at the true source of human suffering and pain in this world, you will find that it always, always, always, yes every single solitary time without exception, lead you back to a sin that is identified as such in the Bible. I don't care if the sin is done in God's name or not, the test still holds true. See, you seem to be too lazy or apprehensive or stubborn or something to even take that test, or you would know this is true.

"* In light of this, how can you expect someone in Flash's position to simply accept what you say on faith? Especially when you refuse to give fair consideration to the issues that muddle the vision of faith?"

I don't expect anyone to accept what I say on faith. As I do not accept anything anyone else says on faith either. I expect that we all should take an honest look at where our pain and joy comes from and seek the truth regarding it with an open mind and an honest and humble heart. That's it, and that's exactly what you and Flash absolutely refuse to do. If you would, you would get it. What issues that muddle the faith????? Are you reverting back to the heinous acts again????? There are no issues that muddle my faith, and if there are for you, I urge you to seek understanding, not spend all your time arguing that the faith is bogus because YOU have not sought to understand these issues. What issues????? The message in the Bible is profound yes, and crystal regarding the majority of issues in life, and it would be easily accessible if we were not so arrogant, full of pride, and hard-hearted. That's due to the effects of sin as identified by the Bible, BTW.

Now, this whole section where you're assuming that you know what God thinks just speaks for itself. Wow, I'm absolutely astounded by your arrogance. Wow. That one will be good for a giggle for months to come. Thanks, I think.

"Lori, why aren't you on television, spreading your truth? After all, it's becoming apparent to the rest of us that you're among the extremely limited number of people who get to know it at this point. Goshy--over a billion Christians who don't have your exact perspective. Oh, wait ... lemme guess here ... since they say they love Jesus, they're all doing the right thing."

Why aren't you on TV spreading your misunderstanding? Is that what you are looking for? Some canned and labeled version of the truth???? What the hell do you want from me??? If I haven't shared my perspective with you regarding my faith then I sure as hell don't know what I've been typing about all of these hours out here. Do you honestly think that I am arrogant enough to assume that my limited understanding of the truth as a human being is THE truth perfect and complete? I'm not that arrogant, you are, so quit assuming that I'm like you in that regards. I don't know everything there is to know and I don't understand anything near all there is to understand in this world, and neither does anyone else. But it seems that you in your profound lack of wisdom use that as an excuse not to even look. And because of that, I feel sorry for you. You will be disappointed as long as you persist in this way.

"Jumping on the Christian bandwagon--considering the results of so many "individuals" before, I think many people of other faiths will wait before hopping on. I mean, it's the equivalent of doing hedgework with a 20-gauge shotgun. You're going to question the wisdom, right? Or are you going to get the shotgun and start taking out the junipers because you think your father told you to."

Tiassa, no one, especially me, is asking you to jump on any bandwagon, and I totally take offense to the notion that you think that I and all of the other Christians in the world have. It is true that some are guilty of blind faith, but the heinous acts which you have so noted in the name of God were caused by such blind faith, so I wouldn't recommend it. I do not make decisions or base my actions upon what I am told do to, but what I understand to be the right thing to do considering the consequences and intentions of the act or decision. By honestly seeking understanding of the Word of God, I have found that it enables me to better see the consequences of decisions and certain intentions and actions, and have a better understanding regarding life in general and regarding specific circumstances of any and all kind.

"Does that make any sense to you? Even after people say--these crimes of the past are in the past--they still have to consider the fact that nobody in the modern era knows what Christ's true message was. We aren't going to accept--purely on faith--a model that has never worked practically. That's not God's fault ... but it's a fifty-fifty shot at eternal damnation if we dishonor God or is Will. It's an equal shot that God is not restricted to that ONE BOOK (that we realize is not the entirety of your library--what is it, a third?) and that other of Its answers can be found in other facets of life."

Christ's true message is a lot easier to understand than you make it. That's because you are really not interested in understanding His message, only in denying it. I'm not kidding Tiassa, that's all it take is an honest willingness and effort. No, you won't EVER understand EVERYTHING there is to know about EVERYTHING. But do you really have to? It seems that it would take well over a life time to even address the notion of EVERYTHING in the universe. Stop trying to make it impossible and get to work. Quit trying to make me do the work for you. God does not expect you to be perfect, see, He knows better than that, unlike yourself. It's not a 50/50 shot, it's a learning experience through a personal relationship with Jesus. One that I can not ever, no matter how hard I try, create FOR YOU. God cares about your intentions, not your level of understanding. What are your intentions, Tiassa?


One of these days I'll actually learn how to do that quote thingy.


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"Go Jesus, go! Go Jesus, go!"

I finally get to be the cheerleader that I always wanted to be but could not, as I was not a fluff chick.

[This message has been edited by Lori (edited January 13, 2000).]

 

Micah: You are just one of many who claim to know the truth. Take a number and stand in line.

Lori: the quote thingie is easy. At the end, put a [/QUOTE]. At the beginning put the same thing without the /. The actual quote goes in between them.

[This message has been edited by Oxygen (edited January 13, 2000).]

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