Margaret Thatcher, Britain's Iron Lady, Dead at 87

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  1. Buddha12 Valued Senior Member

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    By DAVID WRIGHT (@abcdavid)

    April 8, 2013

    Margaret Thatcher, the first woman ever to serve as prime minister of Great Britain and the longest-serving British prime minister of the 20th century, has died at age 87.

    "It is with great sadness that Mark and Carol Thatcher announced that their mother Baroness Thatcher died peacefully following a stroke this morning," Lord Timothy Bell, her former adviser, said today. "A further statement will be made later."

    Thatcher had significant health problems in her later years, suffering several small strokes and, according to her daughter, struggling with dementia.

    In December 2012, she was underwent an operation to remove a bladder growth, longtime adviser Tim Bell told The Associated Press.

    But during her long career on the political stage, Thatcher was known as the Iron Lady. She led Great Britain as prime minister from 1979 to 1990, a champion of free-market policies and adversary of the Soviet Union.

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    Why hasn't President Obama said anything yet? He acknowledged Chavez's death last month immediately so why only Biden saying anything now?
     
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  3. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    Liked her for smacking down the Argies, hated her for what she did to the coal unions.
     
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  5. Buddha12 Valued Senior Member

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    While many did not like her policies, she does after all deserve to be honored for her life. We give tribute to Chavez , as I said ,but nothing yet from President Obama. I think that is disgraceful unless he does say something about her. She was, after all, a head of state as was Chavez.
     
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  7. Lady Elizabeth Registered Member

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    Thatcher would've nuked North Korea for being such a bunch of tossers ..... she died too soon.

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  8. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    Who says any head of state deserves honouring for simply having been a head of state? The hell with her, comes to that. But sure: Obama should probably say something. Will he? No, because he's a cunt.
     
  9. Bells Staff Member

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    *Raises eyebrows*

    Woah dude..

    Calm down!

    Who is this "we"?

    And amongst all the wonderful things she did, can we remember her support for South Africa's apartheid regime and refusing to join the rest of the world in imposing sanctions to try to pressure them to end apartheid..
     
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  11. Buddha12 Valued Senior Member

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    While many things here stated I agree with she still deserves the human dignity that anyone deserves for doing what she thought best.

    It was about time he said something.
     
  12. Buddha12 Valued Senior Member

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    Speaking about Chavez I remember some of the real nice things he said about America and its leaders yet Obama was the first to issue a statement when he died.

    Here are just a few quotes Chavez said"

    In 2006, appearing at the U.N. General Assembly after President George W. Bush spoke there a day earlier, he had this to say:

    "The devil came here yesterday, and it smells of sulfur still today."



    That wasn't his first time equating things and Americans with mythical evil beings. In 2005, he criticized the U.S. tradition of Halloween for "putting fear into other nations, putting fear into their own people."

    "Families go and begin to disguise their children as witches. This is contrary to our way," he said.




    "Would it be so strange that they've, Americans, invented technology to spread cancer and we won't know about it for 50 years?"



    Everyday I become more convinced, there is no doubt in my mind, as many intellectuals have said, that it is necessary to transcend capitalism. But capitalism can not be transcended through capitalism itself; it must be done through socialism, true socialism, with equality and justice. I’m also convinced that it is possible to do it under democracy, but not in the type of democracy being imposed by Washington.



    The grand destroyer of the world, and the greatest threat ... is represented by U.S. imperialism. Hugo Chávez during his television/radio show ¡Aló Presidente! on August 21, 2005.


    [I admire] your wisdom and strength. [...] We are with you and with Iran forever. As long as we remain united we will be able to defeat [U.S.] imperialism, but if we are divided they will push us aside.
     
  13. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    Promoting bigotry? Yeah she was good at that.
     
  14. andy1033 Truth Seeker Valued Senior Member

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    I agree when someone dies, people should try to respect that. What you wrote is why i have not said anything.

    Everyone has there lens of hate they see the world through, and they think they see the world for what it really is. Shame that so many leaders or socalled do not understand this. Hate leads to people skewing there world view, and every adult is a hater.

    That just sums up her as from a point of view of people on the outside. What ever you think of her she lead the country through her lens of hate, and people are only hypocrites whom cannot understand that. We all have that lens of hate and see the world slightly differently, and so did she, and so does all her haters and admirers.

    Personally i care not for these celebs, but i am glad someone understands, you should at least respect the fact that someone died, no matter how you felt about her existence.

    I am personally glad that leaders today in nato countries are not as powerful as she was in her position. Leaders have not that power anymore to run the country or change drastically countries, as we live in a technocracy now. Leaders are merely administrators now, not all out leaders like she was.

    I like the fact that we probably will not have another leader with a name of iron lady, or any man will equally be so damning to there enemies in todays world. The leader she was is something of the past, the world is not run like that anymore, and i am grateful that one person is not all powerful in nato countries like that anymore. There is more balance today as people belong to an international community.

    Maggie hated the nwo supposedly, and i am all for a nwo. That sums up my attitude to her reign. I am all for a socialist nwo, while she was a last of a dying breed of leaders that nato countries, i am glad to say do not want anymore.
     
  15. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    There is nothing wrong with hate. The iron bitch certainly didn't think so either.
     
  16. andy1033 Truth Seeker Valued Senior Member

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    Yep i agree, but everyone has there own lens of hate, but very few admit it. We all skew the world for what we think it is.
     
  17. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    Are you advocating a perception of the world without any emotional connotations? Is that even possible?
     
  18. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Y'know, if someone wrote a comedy show skit mocking somebody

    in which a series of famous people died and the immediate reaction from the mocked person was some kind of rant about whether and how and when Obama had made an official statement about each death in sequence

    I think a lot of people would take it as a parody of the American whacknut reactionary.

    The Prime Minister most significantly responsible for the recent problems in London's financial industry, a world center of finance, as well as many other significant developments in England's political role and future, has died. A whole range of issues is available here, from wild speculations on the role of early stage dementia in authoritarian rightwing ideology (the list of coincidences is growing, Reagan and Thatcher most prominent) to the effects of island empires maintaining their colonially affiliated outposts around the planet, to the changing nature of the relations between immigrants and labor unions as the immigrants increasingly belong to non-white "races".

    The exact timing of Obama's formal political statement releases is kind of a long way down on such a list, don'cha think?
     
  19. andy1033 Truth Seeker Valued Senior Member

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    In an international community today leaders have to work together. I hear she was rather anti nwo, and seeing how she ran uk i would see why.

    I just think leaders are not let to have that power anymore, and i am glad. You notice today not much changes between labour and conservatives. What ever reason big gov is here to stay i am glad, and i am glad leaders in our countries in nato do not have that power anymore to go on vendettas, or think they have a mission.

    Our prime ministers and presidents today are just soap box characters, just to be the voice of the gov, no more or no less. Obama is probably told what to do everyday, and he just acts it out, and probably cameron too now.

    People do not understand that most people could never be any sort of real leader. Being a leader in todays world is probably planned a long time before anyone is announced to us. People do not understand what it takes to be a leader, and the fact that most people could never do that job.

    I am glad the job description today of leaders in nato countries has changed, and they are really just there as actors, not despot leaders that we once saw.
     
  20. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    George Galloway (Quote):
    "Stamp the dirt down".
    His Obituary of Thatcher is well worth a read:
    http://redmolucca.wordpress.com/2013/04/08/tramp-the-dirt-down/

    Her State Funeral (in everything but name), is going to cause huge upheaval in London,
    as people protest, probably violently.
    A lot of middle aged men, whose fathers were made unemployed,
    and who themselves were part of a wasted generation, are going to have a last Hurrah.
     
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    I didn't like her much, but I think she was 100% right on the Falklands, on privatising state-owned and loss-making industry and most of all for putting the trade unions in their place (looking after the employment terms of their members instead of trying to run the country's economy for their own benefit).

    These three things totally turned round the country.

    The tragedy was that the closure of all the crap 1970s industry (dangerous coal, basic steel, lousy cars) mostly occurred in regions of the UK where there was little diversification, so whole communities became blighted with very high and chronic unemployment. This explains why so many people - mostly in the North - hate her legacy while so many others - mostly in the South - cheer her for it. Personally, I can't see what else she could have done - there was no way to sugar the pill and trying to go slowly would have given her enemies the chance of derailing the reforms. But I admit, I live in the South.
     
  23. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    Oh well, if it didn't happen on TV, it didn't happen. I mean seriously, she was ideologically opposed to everything Obama stands for, so why would he make a big deal of it?
     

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