Universe: Many More Dimensions Than We Think

Discussion in 'Astronomy, Exobiology, & Cosmology' started by Brainiac, May 3, 2013.

  1. AlexG Like nailing Jello to a tree Valued Senior Member

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    It continues.:bawl:
     
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  3. rr6 Banned Banned

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    Minds Eye <---------!------@

     
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  5. rr6 Banned Banned

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    Dimension of Mind--Twilight Zone

    It appears that some here cannot grasp simple XYZ/abc Cartesian corrdinates as dimensions of space, much less to step outside a these simple concepts--- and outside of space --- to grasp simple geometric expressions of a dimension of mind.

    Without a dimension-of-mind humans do not access XYZ/abc and d spatial dimensions.

    Our reality--- i.e physical/energy ---dimensions( 3D/volumetric ) are eternally complemented by a mind dimension or set thereof.

    Rod Sterling was one hero for many humans who needed to go beyond--- step outside of --- the standard conventional/traditional ways of thinking. Partially why his program occurred was a ways of making political commentary indirectly so there was less fear of the McCarthy like persecutions that preceded his show by a few years perhaps.

    Star Trek tho less politically motivated--- I presume ---help us to step outside a more limited set of tradiational ways of thinking.


    Our dimension(s) of mind, represented by my simple dotted line( ------ ) is outside of ergo beyond the lines-of-relationship( XYZ/abc ) ergo beyond space whether occupied or non-occupied.

    These are simple concepts, not difficult. Simple may scare the establishment/authority because if it is simple, then the masses will have access to information that was previous beyond them.

    The prominent distinction between humans and other animals is that of access to mind/intellect( ------ ). Via our access to mind/intellect, humans can conceptually step outside of conceptually finite Universe and look back in upon this conceptual Universe, as if they were God, holding the whole Universe in their hands.

    Generalization is the most inclusive but simplifies as a single word. Ex Universe is a simple word and concept that we know has many subcatgories ergo the more catagories the more complex we realize the simple concept in reality is.


    "U"niverse = metaphysical mind/intellect ex cosmic laws/principles complementing the following three sets;
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    "U"niverse = non-occupied space ergo empty, non-dimensional background.

    Universe = occupied space ergo filled, dimensional reality.

    universe = local spheres-of-influence.

    Thinks outside the box--- or a simple triangle ---is the dimension-of-mind and what my simple "---------" represents.

    Not complex and not difficult to grasp. Simple and easy to grasp and gives us a visual to work with.

    A picture( visual ) is said to be worth a thousand words. Or maybe worth a thousand mathematical formulae....

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  7. AlphaNumeric Fully ionized Registered Senior Member

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    rr6, there is a set of sub-forums at this site for personal ideas/theories/random nonsense/guesses, this particular sub-forum is not the place. I can categorically state what you say has nothing to do with the mainstream notion of extra dimensions such as those considered in string theory, M theory, the holographic principle, Kaluza-Klein theory or various quirky hypothetical extensions of the Standard Model.

    If you have a pet theory then post it in 'alternative theories'. If you just want to wax lyrical about nonsense then post it in 'pseudo-science'. Whatever label you wish to give your posts I can tell you now that they don't belong in this sub-forum. I speak both as the moderator for this sub-forum and as someone with working familiarity with the aforementioned mainstream notions of extra dimensions.
     
  8. rr6 Banned Banned

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    Dimension of Mind--Twilight Zone

    Alpha, you ignore the parts of my posts that are related to physical dimensions of Universe--- contrary to claims below and like most trolls you ignore
    ---and then generalize all of my other comments as other. Not fair.

    My response was to someone mentioning "observer" as related to dimension. A human observer has at least one primary aspect that is beyond rocks and all other animals and that is the degree of access to mind/intellect.


    What I've laid out is simple visual and geometric--- as so many physics examples used ---way of relating to dimensnion of mind and hopefully and aid to those who choose to have a better understanding of such. It is the dimension of mind, that humans have access too ergo humans develop your stated "extra dimensions"--- see my "d' comments --- "string theory", "holographic principle"--- see my Jacob bekenstien comments.


    I.e. the dimension of mind, you would not be stating both truths and non-truths regarding my posts here.

    XYZ/abc = conventional dimensions of Universe regarding space

    d = first additional dimension of Universe regarding ultra-micro space

    ----- = dimension of mind/intellect that observes the incoming information, sorts that info and discovers patterns as vectorial lines-of-relationships and then applies those discoveries in practical technological ways, as derived from discovered cosmic laws/principles etc....or as;

    cosmic theories. Some which you mention above.

    A dimension-of-mind is not nonsense, irrespective of you beliefs and repeated claims so, and the generalization of all that I say being nonsense is just plain false/nonsense. This is one of the problems that I've noticed with trolls, in general, they have very little ability to make distinction between what is true and what is not.

    Ok so your a moderator of this sub-forum 'science' ergo a forum that is interested in sorting the facts of our experiences into catagories of truth and verifiable by repeated reconstructions of such experiences. Well then start with the truth of my comments as stated, and not as you generalize them.

    Does mind/intellect exist? Does Alpanumeric have any access to a dimension of mind/intellect? I may had stated this previously. Humans unique degrees of access to mind/intellect is what allows them to conceptualize a finite 2D or 3D object/pattern as Universe, and then conceptually step outside of the object/pattern and look back in upon object as if they are a God, holding the finite Universe In there hands.

    I used simple set of geometrics to explain this unique human ability. Geometry is used in many ways to relate to science.

    It is true I am presenting ideas that are outside your narrower set of what is 'science'--- your exclusion mind/intellect dimension-of-mind --- and theories that have certainly not been validated to explain the many cosmological mysterys that still exist. A dimension-of-mind is a fact, tho not one the we can observe by quantizing it(?) as and 'it'...ha ha!

    XYZ/abc = metaphysical constructs of observed physical experiences

    d = metaphysical constructs derived from our XYZ physical experiences.

    ---- = metaphysical( mind/intellect ) construct of those listed above and that is the primary basis for the above abilities to develop/construct and do science.

    As a troll-like moderator your concerned about my alledged "wax lyrical" comments. I'm sorry Alapha, I have no idea what a wax lyrical is. Sounds like your referring to the words of a song about wax. I dunno but I can assure my posts contained no references to any "wax lyrical" type information.

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  9. AlphaNumeric Fully ionized Registered Senior Member

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    rr6, this is your last warning. If you want to spew your pseudo-scientific views of domains of physics you have no understanding of then do it in the pseudoscience sub-forum. You're free to think what you're saying is meaningful but that doesn't make is so. Next time you get an infraction warning, in this thread or any other where you wheel out that incoherent nonsense.
     
  10. IncogNegro Banned Banned

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    If you cant find it on wikipedia refrain from mentioning it in any conversation, Yes we all believe our imaginations exist in reality because our imaginations exist in reality. You can hear thoughts, even others by studying time and their behaviors. Though useful it should be kept away from truly objective conversation away from practicality of trades....
     
  11. rr6 Banned Banned

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    Dimensions = ? ? ?

    You have nothing specific on gross unfair generalizations of my comments as stated.

    I conceded that mind cannot be quantized--- and never claimed otherwise ---but you ignore facts of my comments and the truths as I stated them.

    All I did was give geometric examples of for a dimension-of-mind--- as referenced to XYZ/Cartesian --used in all physics, and your narrow mind set could not and still can not handle even one shred of my comments as stated, facts, truths speculations, examples and sincere attempts to explain with visuals.

    We have access to a dimension-of-mind/inteligence( metaphysical ) mind via consciousness( physical/energy ) AlphaN. These are facts and truths irrespective of your inability to acknowledge such, much less allow them into a thread regarding "dimensions" in a subcategory of "science".

    Access to metaphysical mind via consciousness is a reproduceable phenomena just as any science experiment requires it to be.

    Metaphysical mind/intelligence exists beyond( meta ) ergo outside of our physical/energy Universe and develops XYZ Cartesian coodinates aka dimensions of space, not to mention hyper-dimensions which we certainly have no observeable much reproduceable experiements of.

    Oh wait maybe you do allow hyper-dimensional considerations in this "science" subcategory "dimensions" thread.:bugeye:

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  12. origin Heading towards oblivion Valued Senior Member

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    Well said. No not really - just kidding! Just more of the same gobbilty-goop. Do you actually think you are saying something of substance? I can't tell if you have deluded yourself into thinking what you are saying actually makes any sense or you are just simulating making sense to impress the woo-woos.:shrug:
     
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  14. Cyperium I'm always me Valued Senior Member

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    You have to remember that we are a part of existence, so if we don't extend into more than 3 dimensions then why don't we if there are more? Are we less physical than physics?

    Could be that there are parallell existences though that we aren't a part of (at least knowingly), but we should share the properties of the existence that we are part of at least.
     

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