We need to fight poverty and hunger because many people are hungry

Discussion in 'World Events' started by pluto2, Oct 13, 2012.

  1. The Marquis Only want the best for Nigel Valued Senior Member

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    See look, I quoted you this time so you could be quite certain I'm speaking to you.

    I asked you to consider the cost of allowing the human population to increase and then decrease naturally according to this "expected decline".
    Apparently, you don't really consider the amount of species and habitat being lost while this theoretically comes about to be of any great importance. That "research" you allude to is out there, it exists, and it's basically saying that we're killing off species at a rate of knots while we're trying to figure out how to save even more humans.

    So you don't give a shit. Fine. You've made that clear. I consider you a complete idiot bound to your own natural imperatives, and the antithesis of what humanity could actually be should it ever consider what it might be capable of if it were ever able to actually get over itself. I believe I've now made that clear, if I hadn't already.

    So there we are.
    Run along, now, and tell yourself you won this argument, that you proved yourself more compassionate, whatever floats your boat.
    That's how humanity justifies itself.

    It's only natural.
     
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  3. StrawDog disseminated primatemaia Valued Senior Member

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    Two points re this issue.

    1.) Simplistically put - with the current global profit and profit-growth based economic system in place there will always be exploitation, hunger and poverty. A paradox in that this system is in fact a potential enabler for a lucky proportion to escape poverty - and in principle, the more and better economic growth, the more people escape hunger and poverty. So the cycle naturally continues - essentially since ancient history - until now as we are draining the last drops of oil, minerals and nutrients from an exhausted source to fuel a vacuous consumer society. At which time the great equalizer comes into play - planet earth re-invents herself. We are feeling the early signs of resistance from our only habitat and sustenance - planet earth.

    Extreme weather events are rapidly increasing and directly and indirectly slowly but surely culling the population. This trend will increase until another round of extinctions and geographic re-arrangement re-invents planet earth - in order for (perhaps) new life to germinate and evolve.

    2.) Again simplistically put - the only way to avoid (or partially avoid, could be too late already) this total catastrophe is to revise the global economic system to a non frivolous consumer, socialist, humanist endeavor in which human wellbeing is the aspired for economic indicator and sign of success rather than monetary profit. Ie - sharing resources for the betterment of the group, rather than the individual. Total and utter paradigm shift, not sure if I am hopeful.
     
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  5. The Marquis Only want the best for Nigel Valued Senior Member

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    Well, no. That isn't the only way; it's the only way you deem to be acceptable.

    And the reason it might be "too late already" is because humanity has subscribed to that theory for far too long.
     
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  7. arauca Banned Banned

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    We need poor people other wise who will do the work , and we need the hungry people so we can dispose of our overabundance
     
  8. StrawDog disseminated primatemaia Valued Senior Member

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    What do you suggest?
     
  9. The Marquis Only want the best for Nigel Valued Senior Member

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    Mass culling, now.
     
  10. Pronatalist Registered Senior Member

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    Religions tend to defend the God-given right and duty to have large families, because religions claim to care about individual and about morality. It is the pagans who lie and distort things, and who are trying to ban having babies.

    Babies didn't cause the rampant government corruption that traps people in poverty and spreads poverty. Education is NOT the wicked mantra of developed countries or Babylon America to "Use birth control! Use birth control!" Can you not recognize one-sided anti-family propaganda when you see it? Education expands options for an increasingly populous world, without needing to diss the birth of even more babies as the "huge" world population continues to naturally expand, well except for the growing birth dearth inflicted by RAMPANT CONTRACEPTIVE PUSHING.
     
  11. Pronatalist Registered Senior Member

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    Not enough people think for themselves, to elect statesmen who aren't NWO elitist creeps, rather than corrupt politician elitists. Too many people let the TV do their thinking for them, and the New World Order criminal elitists obviously control the giant TV media corporations.

    Most people don't want war. It is the NWO elitists who make the wars, lie to us to get us into endless wars, why didn't they tell us that 9-11 was an inside (government) job? It is all over the internet, the place that the greedy liar corporations and government haven't quite figured out how to control yet, since anybody on the internet can self-publish without all the stupid liberal bias censorship.

    So what are you going to do about it, in this corrupt disinformation environment? Support a no-name statesman who probably won't get enough votes? Why not just move out of Babylon America? Foreigners say that Americans are among the most uninformed and gullible people in the world. I say, Americans are stupid. I don't think I want to be American any longer. I am so sick of Bush's Obama's endless and immoral wars, while The United Slaves of America economy goes down the toilet.
     
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  12. Pronatalist Registered Senior Member

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    A human baby DOES matter a whole lot more than a rhino.

    And yes, I do believe humans should multiply naturally, freely, without nasty "mad scientist" Big Pharma contraceptive potions (yeah, as in witchcraft) and poisons. Humans are created in God's image. The animals God created, are not in his image. It is much more important that we humans multiply, than that animals multiply.
     

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