Anti-Christ or Not???

Discussion in 'Religion Archives' started by truestory, Jan 5, 2000.

  1. Lori Registered Senior Member

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    Yes, Mooncat, that is a very narrow-minded view, and one that couldn't be more false or misguided. Thanks for sharing your lack of understanding????????

    Fact is that Jesus loves you just as much as me or anyone else. His love IS NOT dependent upon your salvation. Your soul's survival on the other hand is. The former is called unconditional love, and the latter is called free-will. Check into it.

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  3. MoonCat Registered Senior Member

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    Lori,

    Fact is, Jesus is dead and buried, and has been for quite a few years now. Check into THAT.
     
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  5. Lori Registered Senior Member

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    Buried huh? And where is it that I can go to look up these so called "facts" of yours? Oh, sorry, but I do refuse to shrink myself down to some teeny-tiny size and travel up your ass in a mini-craft. So where else could I go to check into it?

    My advice is, that if you don't appreciate being corrected, I suggest that you actually know what you're talking about. What a concept!

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  7. Flash Registered Senior Member

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    Lori,
    How can Jesus give me something I haven't even asked for??? Especially when I reject him???? I don't think sooooo...... One would have to receive...right???? Well, I don't recall doing that.... I'm sure the bible says something somewhere.about how love is not in sinners because they are not of God type of thing.... It says that sin
    separates us from God...if that's so...then wouldn't this love of his be taken from us also???????
    I do not see how my love could be any different than the one you are talking about.
    Do you think I am not capable of unconditional love?
     
  8. MoonCat Registered Senior Member

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    LOL LOL LOL ROFL

    Lori, as much as I know you'd like to creep about in my anus, you're not invited shweetie-pie.

    Okay, shnookums, I apologize, I haven't researched your Jesus myth much. Okay, he's not buried, that's right. He ascended to heaven or something, right? And while I'm doing trivia...Bruce Banner was the Hulk, right? LOLOLOLOLOLOL You crack me up Lori.

    Okay, let me restate, to make you happy. Jesus is DEAD, and can't love anyone anymore. Not you, not me, not truestory, nobody. You can believe that he does all you want, and if that gives you a warm fuzzy then go for it. But you're not going to convince me that some thousand-plus-year old dead guy has a special place in his heart for me.

    And while we're nitpicking, traveling to my ass won't help you much. Try looking in your own, that's where your head is anyway.

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  9. truestory Registered Senior Member

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    Hello Flash and gang,

    This discussion between 666 and I has been going on for quite sometime... The difference between the inherent limited human ability to love and the pure, true, unconditional love of God is what I am speaking with 666 about.

    Jesus Christ is the manifestation of God in the flesh. Although the flesh of Jesus Christ died on the cross, He was resurrected and lives forever. God was never dead and never will be. God loves us unconditionally, and as has been explained repeatedly throughout various threads, God will always love us. It is Jesus Christ/God in the flesh Who taught mankind how to love unconditionally... He came here to show us the way and He died for us and rose from the dead so that our sins would be forgiven and to offer His unconditional loving gift of salvation to us all... Jesus Christ is the One Who taught human beings how to love each other regardless of the wrong-doing or the severity of the wrong-doing on the part of another. It is through the gift of Him that mankind learned how to separate the sin from the sinner... it is through Him that any of us has the knowledge or ability to shun sin while still being able to love the sinner.

    To know Jesus Christ is to know unconditional love and to know how to love unconditionally is to know Jesus Christ.

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  10. Flash Registered Senior Member

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    TS,

    So what you are saying is unless a person follows Jesus..they do not know what unconditional love is nor can they show unconditional love?
     
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  12. truestory Registered Senior Member

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    Flash,

    Deny God if you wish. However, ALL of your abilities come from God. Knowledge and truth about unconditional love and the ability to love unconditionally came specifically from Jesus Christ/God.
     
  13. 666 Registered Senior Member

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    Lori,

    Well I haven't been blowing you off. Just been preoccupied.

    I am glad you brought up the hardening of the heart. It happened to me too. I pushed every one out of my life and wouldn't let any one eles in. Just to attempt to protect my self from further harm. I wish I could say that I realized early on that it only served to hurt me more, but I didn't. At the time I felt I was incapable of handling any more pain or disapointments. I just needed to be able to take a breath and begin healing. After that I came to see that the what I went through not only made me who I am today, but made me stronger. I have a bad habbit of trying to rush through all of this emotional bagage, but that can't be done. As I continue move forward I am able to let people in a little more. A softening of the heart if you will. It is not easy to reverse it but it can be done. Each step brings that much more joy into my life.

    I was able to forgive my father with out God/Jesus becuase of many things not just one. I first had to forgive myself for what I belived I did wrong. in this case I blamed myself for not being able to help my father change and reach the father I only got know for all of 1 and 1/2 hour. Understanding why some one could do what he did helped me along the way. I realy had to take a step back when I thouoght about this one. I confronted him one day (one of many times) with what he did. When I was done he didn't take a breath and responded that he learned to forgive himself and that I needed to do the same. This pissed me off for many years. Ignoring the fact that he was never able to forgive himself, if he did he would have changed his ways, but it showed me what I had in common with him. An inablity let any one into his life. It realy nocked my off my seat! When i saw that I couldn't deny it. I began to see that it was this sort of self torturing isolation that causes these acts of abuse and many other terible things. I have been thinking about this senence the first day I came to realize it, and each time have been able to let go of more and more of it. From my stand point it is a bit of an uneasy feeling, becuase it so new. For so long I only knew to hate him for what he did. My reaching out to him was not of love, but out of a need to bring an end to it and have the dad I only wished I had. Only when I could realize his limitations could I forgive. Doesn't make it right, but it is finaly earning it's place, in my past! These I belive to be the main points, but there is so much more.

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  14. 666 Registered Senior Member

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    Turestory,

    To distinguish the belife in God or oneself with religion and a way of life to me seems imposible. So I do have to agrre with my belife in my self is a religion. With time we learn forgive and love unconitionaly. For me I can't how accepting Jesus in my life some how give me the ability to do this. Acceptance from an outside source doesn't allow me to do anything. it must come from with in. In other words it must come from me. Only then can the acceptance have any true meaning to me.

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  15. truestory Registered Senior Member

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    Hello friend! Nice to see you back!

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  16. Xeno Registered Senior Member

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    ....
    OK, I'm not going to write up anything
    big. Don't get me wrong write now.
    I probably talked some sh*t with that
    dimensional thinking crap... blah,
    blah. Yeah. I got a few things to
    contribute, but you all probably don't
    care for them any more.

    Here's my two cents on this discussion:

    I just skimmed through the first page
    and skipped to this one. 666 was arguing
    about choices in terms of choosing
    his religion (something like that).
    I don't know why you all should blast
    him so hard like that, but what he
    does is his own decision - and you all
    know that.
     
  17. 666 Registered Senior Member

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    Xeno,

    I don't take it as they are blating me, well once in a great while. If I didn't want to discuss my opion and the views of others I wouldn't be here. If you feel very strongly about a given topic, here it happens to be religion, no one can take your convictions from you. You only stand to gain one thinig from discussing our beliefs and the beliefs of others, and that is a greater understanding of your self and others. For me it is great thing to have these discusions. Some are completly closed minded while others are open to listen, but in the end it helps you, and mabye others see things in a differnt light they proboly would have never seen before. There are clear reasons why I belive the way I do, and on ther hand there are clear reason why others belive the way they do. I like to find the reason that are not so easy to see.


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