Humanizing Hillary?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Arne Saknussemm, Mar 1, 2014.

  1. Arne Saknussemm trying to figure it all out Valued Senior Member

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    Look, the only faith involved in this discussion is my gut instinct that Hillary is in politics for no body's gain but her own. This is true of most male politicians as well, but what of it? I just hate to see her running on the 'I'm female' platform and fooling possibly the majority of voters into thinking this is a good thing rather than a moot point. I see her behavior and the look in her eyes and I know she will set America back. Her gender has nothing to do with this.
     
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  3. Arne Saknussemm trying to figure it all out Valued Senior Member

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    Someone who has been on my ignore list since the first week I got here, said this on the first page of this thread of mine (That's right, I peeked, and read the ignored person's post, and man, am I sorry I did!)...had this to troll:
    To which I say: Aha! Caught you red-handed at being nothing but a troll!

    How otherwise does one explain this: View attachment 6922 or this? View attachment 6923
     
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  5. TheHun Registered Member

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    that you call me a troll, because I take issue with your demonizing of Clinton in that demeaning and supercilious way you affect when you talk about her--a woman you claim to hate in a visceral way?
    your misogyny and apparent fear of women who step outside the lines you have drawn for them is laughable. as for being a troll, i think your posts are evidence that you fit that definition best. don't project your shortcomings onto others, your vituperation does you no credit.

    when has she ever run on the "I'm female" anything?
     
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  7. The Marquis Only want the best for Nigel Valued Senior Member

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    Australia has Julia Gillard.
    Same sort of thing really.

    A female politician is always going to have to be more of a man than a man ever would be. Maggie Thatcher pulled it off, Gillard didn't.
    She was subject to the kind of political bullshit that a man would never have been.

    In Australia, it speaks volumes that John Howards' Liberal government destroyed Pauline Hanson, and then appropriated a substantial amount of her thought, transformed it into policy, and enjoyed a long reign in government as a result.

    The thing is, it was never about Pauline Hanson, her thoughts or her policy.
    It was about you, and what you'd accept.
     
  8. quinnsong Valued Senior Member

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    As I said earlier in so many words if a person (man or Woman) does not like a female that is strong ( competent, confident, intelligent and most importantly a leader) they are suspect in my book. Hillary fits the bill. so let the demonizing begin!
     
  9. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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  10. Arne Saknussemm trying to figure it all out Valued Senior Member

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    I don't follow you, quin, old boy. Surely you don't me moi your much bruised OP? I think I've made it clear that I have no problem with Strong Women (kinda sexy really). And when you say "Hillary fits the bill' do you mean she is strong and confident, etc.? Or do you mean she does not like strong and confident women? The second choice seems unlikely, but you really are not being clear here.

    My take is that Hillary is merely conniving and self-serving, a political shape-changer who will say anything to garner votes. Everyone keeps asking why it is all right for a male politician to be that way. Well, of course it is also wrong! The only reason I began this thread is do to my small part against a very unsuitable person who may likely be our next president. Some have said Hillary never exploits her womanhood. She may have never come right out and said, 'Vote for me because I'm a woman and I get you my sisters!' However, she doesn't have to. She knows full well her appeal to every woman unschooled enough to suppose a fellow woman --can I say,'fellow woman'? Sounds silly-- will champion her long put upon rights out of female solidarity. To think such is naive and brainless. Now, I am not saying I think women are naive and brainless, but even if I did think that way, I really believe Hillary Clinton thinks that way even more!

    Then there are men, like me, who have no problem at all with a female president. I don't even know what these other posters can mean when they say men in general (I, in particular) feel "threatened" by a female in charge. Why would I?

    I would never vote for a republican, excepting Abraham Lincoln (but he daid!), so if my choices next election come down to Hillary and whoever the Republicans trot out, I guess I won't in good conscience be able to vote.

    If America wants a woman as president so bad, and I really don't think they care that much either way, let's amend the law that says a president can't be foreign born and we'll pit Madeleine Albright (Democrat) against Arnold 'The Governator' Schwarzenegger (Republican). Now who's the more threatening of that pair, I ask you?
     
  11. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    Except as previously noted, despite spending almost a 100 million dollars of tax payer money and 21 years investigating the Clintons, Republicans have nothing. They have found nothing. And Hillary Clinton has been and remains extraordinarily popular with the American people. And as recently as last year during the elections, Republicans spoke very well of Hillary Clinton. So Republican hatred of Hillary Clinton tends to wax and wane with the election cycles. If she isn't running for office, they love her. If she is running for office, she is the Devil incarnate. It's funny how that works.

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  12. Arne Saknussemm trying to figure it all out Valued Senior Member

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    The Republicans think well of Hillary!? Egads, that alone is reason enough not to vote for her.
     
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  14. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    Frankly.... yeah, I feel about the same now. I used to believe in her, but with ol' Billy there supporting the embargo against Iraq... I just don't believe in them any more. There's no such thing as a good politician. Just isn't.
     
  15. Arne Saknussemm trying to figure it all out Valued Senior Member

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    Do you know about The Annual World's Biggest Liar Competition in Cumbria, England? Politicians and lawyers are not allowed to enter the competition, because "they are judged to be too skilled at telling porkies". The contest is for amateur liars, not professionals.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World's_Biggest_Liar
     
  16. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    Are MDs allowed to enter?
     
  17. Bells Staff Member

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    Which is kind of the point of the whole misogyny thing. You know, the 'strong women are sexy' thing? In other words, she is there as a figure to fulfill your sexual fantasies.

    Isn't this the same for all politicians?

    By focusing on her sex and telling us how strong women are sexy?

    You aren't really helping your cause with comments like this.

    At no time have I seen her exploit her womanwhood, whatever that means. Do you mean that she is a woman?

    To be frank, your comments are quite offensive. On the one hand you claim that she is the type of woman who will expect or somehow exploit other women to vote for her and on the other hand you imply that women are weak and can be exploited in such a fashion. The irony of your argument is that your hatred of her seems to be based on this irrational attitude that she is out to somehow lull women into voting for her.

    Of course. So long as she's sexy, right? As long as she is not as strong as Hillary.

    I think one of the problems that Americans seem to have with Hillary is that she is that strong and exceptionally intelligent. That she does buck the system somewhat. Like when she stayed with her husband through everything. She was accused of staying for the power of her position. The tone was already set.
     
  18. TheHun Registered Member

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    Isn't it funny how the Hillary haters hate her because she is a woman and demonize her because she isn't the right kind thereof. (Just in case anyone wonders, that would be the doormat, yes, SIR! how high do i jump again, Victoria's secret shopping kind). She has done nothing different from what any male politician has done, she is smarter than most, and has an excellent record in politics...except for pissing of males (all of you who are actual men and don't swoon when a woman plays your game are certainly exempt here) who think that any woman who plays in their arena is a threat to their manly man club membership.

    Yeah, whining about her makes them all look ever so mature and masculine. Apparently, witch hunts are back.
     
  19. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    Also true.
     
  20. quinnsong Valued Senior Member

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    Let me be crystal clear! First, I am a woman, the avatar is of one of my favorite people in American history, Eugene Debs, a man too noble and principled to be a politician.

    Regarding Hillary, yes I meant that she is strong and confident, etc.. Out of the pool that I suspect will be the candidates for the next POTUS she is the most qualified and the most formidable ( intelligence and leadership) as I see it. Am I an avid fan? No. She is really nothing more than a Repub of yesteryear and I lean farther left than anyone that American's would even have on the ballot.
     
  21. Arne Saknussemm trying to figure it all out Valued Senior Member

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    Eugene Debs! I didn't realize. Great man, great man. I thought your avatar was the Smith Brother's Cough Drops brother without the beard (so they didn't want him on the box). I know now from your mentioning that you have a husband in one of your posts, that you are a lady, friend quin. So my apologies about the 'old boy' - it's just a figure of speech really. I am not suggesting you change your avatar, but it is a natural assumption: that the person posting is a man if he has a old-timey bald fellow in a suit as her avatar. I'm with you politically, very far too the left. Chairman Mao seems like a Republican to my way of thinking.
     
  22. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    I don't particularly like her either, and it's not because she's a woman.
     
  23. Gremmie "Happiness is a warm gun" Valued Senior Member

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    Same here... I don't like her because I trust her as far as I can fly... Oh yeah, I can't fly.
     

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