Reality as Self-Contained

Discussion in 'General Philosophy' started by Spellbound, Jun 7, 2014.

  1. Spellbound Banned Valued Senior Member

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  3. Baldeee Valued Senior Member

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    Your opinion is wrong.
    I do not think there is a coded meaning.
    I just do not understand what you mean, and you have not provided, and continue not to provide, any clarification.
    It's that simple.
    If someone expresses that they do not comprehend, and have explicitly stated that, how does it help to tell them that they have a problem with comprehending (which they already know, since they have told you they can not comprehend) and then ridicule and insult them in the narcissistic manner you do?
    And again, over and over - I do not have a problem with the words.
    Just the relevance to the questions I asked.
    But you continue with your chocolate teapot ways in as pathetically narcissistic manner I think I have ever witnessed.

    And to repeat the question you ask numerous times: why do you bother posting here?
    You clearly having nothing to offer other than ridicule and insults.
    Is it so you can shout to people how intelligent you think you are?
    About how you have a PhD, while not knowing what the education level of other members are?
    About how you are a scientist, and work many hours underground, as if this gives you credibility?
    :shrug:
    Please only come back if you have something constructive to offer.
    Otherwise, just don't bother.
     
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  5. Baldeee Valued Senior Member

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    Spellbound, how is what you link to any different than from the observer effect?
     
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  7. Dazz Registered Senior Member

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    He thinks that by closing your own eyes, people will not see you.

    As if seeing was a staple for being observed. That's what he thinks.
     
  8. krash661 [MK6] transitioning scifi to reality Valued Senior Member

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    please,
    show me the words you are having trouble with.
     
  9. krash661 [MK6] transitioning scifi to reality Valued Senior Member

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    what i actually think is,
    you're also unable to think clearly

    edit-
    the fact you have a couple of the " focused arguers " on your friends list speaks volumes.
    also, why are your post hidden ?

    yeah, you're obvious from the beginning

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  10. krash661 [MK6] transitioning scifi to reality Valued Senior Member

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    WAVE FUNCTION COLLAPSE,
    do you know or understand what this is ?
    i'm assuming no.
    which is why you're pathetic nonsense continues.
    like i had mention before, which you can not understand(once again),

    " it's because of this example,
    a elementary student is trying to do 12th grade studies.
    without knowing or understanding anything in between.
    it's that simple"

    please,
    show me the words you are having trouble with.
     
  11. Yazata Valued Senior Member

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    Regarding that eyeball-U diagram...

    I don't have any problem agreeing that observer and observed are both parts of the same universe, the same reality, or whatever we want to call it. A sentient being's awareness of its surroundings shouldn't be imagined as some transcendental mind-being peering into a different physical-universe.

    But I don't for a moment believe that when I observe something, that what I'm observing is really myself.

    In order for me to believe something like that, I would seemingly have to accept either solipsism or that I am in fact God. (And that's just solipsism in a more pretentious form, I guess.)

    I persist in thinking that no end of things that aren't me have their own reality and that the entire universe doesn't somehow revolve around my own awareness of an infinitesimal corner of it.

    Put another way, when sentient beings perceive new things, I think of what they are doing as discovery, not creation.
     
  12. krash661 [MK6] transitioning scifi to reality Valued Senior Member

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  13. krash661 [MK6] transitioning scifi to reality Valued Senior Member

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    yes, i know you don't, that's why i continue to ask what words are you having problems with.
    also why, i continue to say , just stop and think.

    please show where this has occurred on this conversation.

    please show where i " asked " this ?
    what i have actually said is,
    why are you even still allowed to post here.
    see there's an example of you not understanding what is stated.

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    that's what this post below was about,
    #119
    http://www.sciforums.com/showthread...lf-Contained&p=3201163&viewfull=1#post3201163

    amusing.
     
  14. Baldeee Valued Senior Member

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    You assume wrongly.

    And are you going to explain any further, or do you intend to just throw out the phrase and leave for us to decide on the relevance you are applying to it.
    Perhaps, for example, you can explain how the wave function collapse is not part of the observer effect, if that is what you are implying?
    After all, I asked how is the diagram and link he posted are different to the observer effect.
    Am I meant to take your answer of "wave function collapse" being that this is a difference?
    In what way?
    Do you think his diagram and link do not include it?
    Or do you think that the observer effect somehow does not?

    Perhaps you may even start to understand how your responses and general style are simply unhelpful if you can't be bothered to actually explain not necessarily what you mean but how they actually answer the questions being asked.


    And excuse me if I don't respond to the rest of your narcissistic and immature noise.
     
  15. Dazz Registered Senior Member

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    "focused arguers" ? "are your post hidden" ? You sincerely lost me (and a pint of grammar) there, dear.

    What you think is pretty easy to grasp. What is not easy is to tolerate your spamming.

    But, for conversation's sake:
    "individual consciousness(as you, your self)(or
    individuals in general,or all conscious living
    entities) gives a platform for all
    this
    "
    No problems so far, truly agreeable with.

    "is where the wave function collapse,
    physics/mathematics(what's the difference?)
    and other sciences supposed to occur.
    "
    For this I cannot speak and that is not what I am addressing.

    If you leave me some time, I may give a more developed response.
    I'm at a bus stop right now.
     
  16. krash661 [MK6] transitioning scifi to reality Valued Senior Member

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    no, again, the words i use are not " coded ",
    so i do not understand why you make comments such as, " implying,relevance " and other such words you can not get away from.
    where did i ever sate
    " wave function collapse is not part of the observer effect " ?

    do you even listen to your self,
    you claim to understand wave function collapse, and yet continue with questions like,
    "on the relevance you are applying to it. " ,
    or,
    " Or do you think that the observer effect somehow does not?

    agian, there is NO CODED MEANING TO MY WORDS , they mean exactly what they are supposed to mean.
    which agian this post is addressing that,
    http://www.sciforums.com/showthread...lf-Contained&p=3201163&viewfull=1#post3201163
    unbelievable.
    do you see how ridiculous you sound yet ?
     
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  17. krash661 [MK6] transitioning scifi to reality Valued Senior Member

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    ahh yes, the typical low level mentality grammar policing.
    great job,
    you have received a gold sticker.
    pat your self on your back .

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    also, i do not care about what you have time for,
    you can try to claim i'm wrong all you want,
    but the reality is, this is exactly how it is.
    so now i assume you're going to continue to focus on arguing.

    if these words were understood, there is no need for an " developed " response,
    that's my point.
    funny, what is a devolved response is not understood,
    and you can not see that.
    amusing.
    you're just another want to be intellect/ scientist, who is eager to argue, nothing more.
     
  18. Yazata Valued Senior Member

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    As I wrote earlier, I think that Krash is a child. He likes feeling that he can pose as a grown-up on the internet and make himself the center of adults' attention. And he's found that posting insults is a good button to push to get it.

    I'd suggest ignoring him except when he writes something that's thoughtful, interesting or smart. Don't reward him when he's only trying to provoke you.

    It's like training a dog. Make him work for his treats, for the attention that he craves. Raise the standard that he has to satisfy in order to get it.
     
  19. krash661 [MK6] transitioning scifi to reality Valued Senior Member

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    what a massive joke you are.
    yes. more flawed interpretations of your malfunctioning mind.
    unbelievable.
    and just like that other idiot,
    the fact you have the " focused arguers " on your friends list speaks volumes.
    what's that phrase, something about " flocks together "

    the human race ceased to develop, it struggles for petty comfort and false security, there is no time for thought.
    soon there will be no time for reasoning, and man will lose sight of the truth.[the sixth finger,ancient outer limits]

    your reality is a prison.
    you have been invaded and enslaved.
    seek only to know yourselves and live in harmony with the ways of your planet earth.
    may you be blessed by the supreme love and truth of the cosmos
     
  21. Dazz Registered Senior Member

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    Hehehe I feel ya.

    But still, I was indeed in a bus stop and I felt the need to develop a response, in order for him to comprehend what was ingrained in my half-ass of a response (it was quite half-assed I felt), but many thanks.

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    " you can try to claim i'm wrong all you want,
    but the reality is, this is exactly how it is.
    so now i assume you're going to continue to
    focus on arguing.
    "
    Hmmmm, not exactly.

    " ahh yes, the typical low level mentality
    grammar policing.
    great job,
    "

    many hard understand has point no much grammar skills so no understand

    Point clear? Whatever.

    You have made a good point here:
    " individual consciousness(as you, your self)(or
    individuals in general,or all conscious living
    entities) gives a platform for all
    this
    "
    Indeed, it should be always taken into consideration. What you fail to grasp is that whatever goes beyond this platform is also self-evident, as it is part of the reality as well, independent of perception.
    "If consciousness creates reality by perceiving it,
    and if the Mars rovers represent the first
    sentient beings to ever set eyes on Mars
    (however indirect that representation is,
    another problem), then did Mars' surface just
    come into being when it was first perceived...
    " Yazata

    You are just bringing the "I think, therefore I am" into litteral terms, which is simplistic and far fetched.

    It is like looking at a mountain and saying "Oh, sorry mountain, you don't think so you don't exist."
    Which is absurd.
    We just became aware of the mountain's existence, but it has existed, and would exist with or without our awareness. K?

    See the U-eye thingy up there in case of confusion.
     
  22. krash661 [MK6] transitioning scifi to reality Valued Senior Member

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    uh, no, i also gave an answer to that also, just look.
    also,
    if you actually understand language,
    then grammar wouldn't even be in thought.
    i hardly, almost never, have any kind of problems understanding what an individual or such has written or stated, no matter how they wrote or talked.
    but i also actually understand language
    funny occupation you have.
    grammar policing is one of the lowest mentality activities ever.

    since you are confused,
    please,
    show me the words you are having trouble with.
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    all in all, i'm done dealing with low level mentalities,
    sam clemens has a quote for it,
    never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.[sam clemens]


    the human race ceased to develop, it struggles for petty comfort and false security, there is no time for thought.
    soon there will be no time for reasoning, and man will lose sight of the truth.[the sixth finger,ancient outer limits]

    your reality is a prison.
    you have been invaded and enslaved.
    seek only to know yourselves and live in harmony with the ways of your planet earth.
    may you be blessed by the supreme love and truth of the cosmos
     
  23. Dazz Registered Senior Member

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    Yea right?
    If it weren't for people like me you wouldn't be able to " actually understand language " " no matter how they wrote or talked."
    You are welcome.

    Besides, being spam to my view...

    Oh, please,
    show me the words you are having trouble with.

    Oh lovely, likewise. @}-

    Whenever you are rested, you may toss your wisdom for us, you endowed entertainer, you!
     

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