Would film make a difference? Unless it were taken against a widely recognized backdrop, I don't think it would. I also hope this ends quickly, but I don't think it will. If Putin doesn't send his uniformed troops in, I think the last "rebel" holdouts ( I.e. Donetsk and Luhansk) will soo fall. But Putin will not stop trying to subvert the country at least not for some time.
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maybe but remember that meteorite and the dash cams? I wouldn't be surprised that every convoy has been filmed from several angles, and I think it's odd none reaches us roughly 2% of the people living in the Rostov oblast (the Russian part that borders the rebel area's of Ukraine are Ukrainian. And that's 80 000 people combine that with the 500 000 refugees and it makes you wonder... I gues theirs not really a point yust pointing out that it's odd that theirs that much missinformation in a ragion where everybody films everything (because of the large amound of misinformation) makes you wonder where the footage is and why people are relativly gullible
let's see in a couple of days then again they closed of the water for Donetsk ... There was some warning so hell won't brake out in 2 days but I doubt it will last a week depending how many run
We have one side has been caught in a lie almost every time they make a statement. The other side in this conflict has been found to tell the truth more often than not. One side is more open to independent verification and validation than the other. The unstable behavior we have witnessed recently by Putin's insurgency, the inconsistency in statements and the frequent leadership changes exhibited by those folks indicate they are under a great deal of stress -stress most likely caused by government troop advancements.
You're talking about your side that claimed WMD's in Iraq? or your talking about human rights for all except Abu Graib, Guantanamo, and etc.?
LOL, did the US lie about Abu Graib or Guantanamo, etc.? No. As for WMD in Iraq, it was known, well known, Iraq did have WMD. They used WMD against Iran and their own people. Why do you think Iraqi's executed Saddam? It is also well known Iraq played up the WMD and didn't come clean (i.e. didn't reveal that they had destroyed their WMD) because they wanted Iran to think they had WMD.
What do you mean by "side"? I'm asking because I asked you twice in private messages whether you live in Russia and despite responding to both of my private messages, you refused to answer the question.
not relevant but Sadam was really willing near the end (or the start) to prevent a war, the US should have never gone in their and honnestly some people deserve to rot in jail for the militairy/financial/PR/ take your pick drama. Fine that said I hope for a happy ending
Hi everyone. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Given the professed 'wikileaks' ethos and the ostensible claims by Assange/Snowden and supporters of 'truth revealed for the public good', does it strike anyone else here as somewhat suspicious that not one whisper of 'truth revealed for the public good' has issued from wikileaks/Assange/Snowden et al regarding what Vladimir Putrid's RUSSIA has been doing invading Crimea and de-stabilizing Eastern Ukraine via clandestine military support/operations supporting the murderous terrorists and undercover Russian Soldiers/Advisers/Suppliers there? Now we know what 'wikileaks' was set up to do, and by whom it was organized/duped into doing it, and why, don't we? Poor civilians, they get killed by madmen's ruthless/brutal 'military adventures', as usual.
In Mother Russia, if you attempt to leak anything, you will be leaking in your pants when the KGB sets their dogs on you. In their eyes, democracy is a sign of weakness, and they're happy to exploit America's vulnerabilities at every opportunity.
according to warmongers here, yes. It is easy to distinguish them, the sentence starts with "In Russia, ...you" blah blah blah. In reality Russia now is like China, communist in part, Stalinist long ago, and now is capitalist. Hell, we do business in Russia better than US does. No wonder Tito got a ride to space first through Russia. You pay us enough, we build you a warp drive, that works. We will use it to warp all the US veterans into another dimension) especially Sciforums ones)
And you think that makes sense? As for war mongers, whose troops are in Ukraine? Whose troops are in Eastern Ukraine? Whose troops are in Georgia? Whose country illegally launched a cyber attack on Estonia because Estonian's wanted to remove a Soviet WWII era statute? Who illegally invaded and annexed Crimea? Who is launching missiles and artillery rounds from Mother Russia on Ukraine? And actually, Russia is more like Nazi Germany. Russia isn’t communist. It is fascist. Putin is doing the same thing Hitler did many decades ago, even using the same excuses for his military invasions, occupations and annexations. And you are making the same mistakes, over estimating your abilities while underestimating your opponents. Some people never learn, and Mother Russia appears to be one of those who never learn.
russia is probably closer to pure capitalism than the US but that's not a good thing. pure capitalism leads to oligarchy which russia is.
I think it is just a matter of time before Ukraine defeats Putin's irregular forces operating in Eastern Ukraine. The question then becomes what next? What happens in Crimea? Putin's irregulars are jumping ship like rats fleeing a sinking ship. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/20/w...he-top-of-ukraines-fading-rebellion.html?_r=0 DONETSK, Ukraine — To outward appearances, Fyodor D. Berezin is the picture of a senior military commander. He wears camouflage, has bodyguards and confidently gives orders as the newly named deputy defense minister of the separatist Donetsk People’s Republic. Yet, just four months ago he was an obscure author of 18 science fiction novels, one play and a dozen or so short stories. In an interview, Mr. Berezin said he was as surprised as anybody by his rapid promotion through the rebel ranks. “Reality became scarier than science fiction,” he said in an interview over iced tea at the Havana Banana bar, a favorite rebel haunt. “I live in my books now. I fell right into the middle of my books.” In the real war in eastern Ukraine, it is an inauspicious time to hold a high command in the separatist forces. Under relentless pounding by the Ukrainian military, their rebellion is crumbling. Government troops have advanced to the outskirts of Donetsk, and over the weekend broke into the rebels’ other remaining stronghold, Luhansk. Fyodor D. Berezin is a novelist who has risen quickly through the rebel ranks in Ukraine. In the wake of these and other setbacks, President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia appears to be maneuvering for a face-saving settlement, analysts say, a way to escape a losing situation without puncturing his strongman image or antagonizing the ultranationalists at home who were expecting him to follow up his annexation of Crimea with an invasion of Ukraine. Step 1 has been a change in leadership. In recent weeks, in what separatist officials hopefully call the “Ukrainianization” of the leadership, almost all the original Russian leaders of the rebellion have resigned and gone home, replaced by Ukrainians of dubious qualifications. Aleksandr Borodai, a Russian citizen, stepped down as prime minister of the Donetsk People’s Republic, to make way for a Ukrainian, Aleksandr Zakharchenko, who had led a police advocacy group before the war. In the Luhansk region, Valery Bolotov, a Russian citizen, announced last week he had “temporarily resigned” as prime minister and left for Russia for medical treatment. He was replaced by Igor Plotnitskiy, a former public health inspector in Ukraine. Igor Girkin, who uses the nickname Igor Strelkov, or Igor the Shooter, a former colonel in the Federal Security Service who led the Russian military takeover of Crimea before arriving in eastern Ukraine, resigned as defense minister of the Donetsk People’s Republic. Vladimir Kononov, a local resident and former judo instructor, took his place”.
Ukraine is focussing attacks on Luhansk and it seems victory is not impossible but theirs almost no reports of the area. Meanwhile Krashnyi Lunch has been retaken and the army is locked in In the south under that city (they might need to flee trough Russia again. It's a odd fighting strategy they constantly complain that they suffer from a influx of rebel soldiers from Russia but they fight for a city that will involve a lot of casualties and damage it would seem better to leave the citys alone and focus on the main routes from Russia if you can effectivly block them leaving a monitored opening people could and generally do run. Then all you have to do is close the city's of from food, water and electricity and roll in a few days later with supplies. Military does it make sence to fight in a City (that you wan't to presserve) whill theirs still a influx from rebels from outside? I can't help but worry abouth their strategy.
