Ebola, coming to a place near you soon!

Discussion in 'Health & Fitness' started by joepistole, Sep 30, 2014.

  1. youreyes amorphous ocean Valued Senior Member

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    and have Corporate USA have Corporations loose millions if not billions of dollars as a result, thus impacting Obama's already low levels of public acceptance?

    http://www.politico.com/story/2014/10/travel-ban-flights-ebola-111961.html

    So the FAA chief is telling us that banning flights will not solve Ebola problems, of course not, it would create lots of problems for FAA lobbying revenues.
     
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  3. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    A flight ban on countries with a collective GDP of less than 10 billion dollars isn't going to be able to stand up to the travel industry alone much less all of the other industries which would be affected by a pandemic.

    And we ca see how well the failure to ban travel is working out. Two people infected and more will likely become infected.

    If another INFECTED TRAVELER shows up in America it will be very bad for Americans, Obama and Democrats. How many people need to die for political correctness?
     
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  5. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    fair question and I am a tad embarrassed.

    In the rapid research that I did yesterday the definition of Ebola came up in this context:

    Question:
    What is the history of the Ebola River? Where does the word "Ebola" come from?
    Answer:
    "Yes, Ebola means "black" and the disease, Ebola, is named after the River Ebola that runs through Zaire (now called the Democratic Republic of Congo) where this deadliest of the 5 strains of Ebola, Ebola Zaire genus, was discovered/identified. Very fitting..."Black River" or Ebola River...as the orifices of the body may bleed like a "black river" when in the hemorrhagic stages of this disease. Level 4 pathogen...comparable to a "red alert"...deadly."
    unqualified and unable to be verified... sorry about that...
    source : http://www.quora.com/What-is-the-history-of-the-Ebola-River-Where-does-the-word-Ebola-come-from

    In my defense, when reading the answer I was impressed by it's inherent qualification and have very little doubt that if further research was carried out it's veracity would be confirmed.
    Also it's relationship to Arabic maybe via the local African Arabic and not "Arabic" per see.
    My mistake and apologies for posting too impulsively...
     
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  7. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    After this is all over, I suggest they rename the river.
    And all the Hotels and B and B's that are called things like Ebola View.
     
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  8. Landau Roof Registered Senior Member

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    Well they could, but the Great Grey-Green Greasy Limpopo River (all set about with fever trees) is already taken.

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  9. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    I am still having great difficulty understanding why the virus appears to be generally contained to West Africa.
    and now it appears (on the news tonight) the medical staff of one area are thinking of going on strike over pay issues... which is absurd given the situation I would have thought.
    Something doesn't stack up...
     
  10. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    The Great greasy Limpopo looks quire nice.
     
  11. Landau Roof Registered Senior Member

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    What's in a name? That which we call ebola by any other name... yada yada yada
     
  12. milkweed Valued Senior Member

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  14. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    Has anyone said that the possibility of it becoming airborne is other than remote?
    Is it any more likely to become airborne than HIV?
     
  15. milkweed Valued Senior Member

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    Currently, Ebola typically gains entry into the body through breaks in the skin, the watery fluid around the eye or the moist tissues of the nose or mouth. Then it infects various cells of the immune system, which it tricks into making more copies of itself.

    http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/fact-or-fiction-the-ebola-virus-will-go-airborne/

    I dont think its comparable to HIV. As far as I know HIV must enter the bloodstream to infect a person, unlike the above where it appears to infect via moist tissue areas. Plus HIV doesnt make you leak body fluids like ebola. At least not as a primary symptom/infection transmission.

    http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/transmission/qas.html
     
  16. milkweed Valued Senior Member

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    And what do you suggest?

    Edited out question that you answered previously (and I didnt see).
     
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  17. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    Hazmat suits should be used when appropriate. Hubris is rarely appropriate.

    At this point, I think it appropriate to use travel bans and quarantines for folks originating from countries where the disease has reached epidemic proportions.

    Reason and fact should guide the Ebola response. Unfortunately, this has become politized and political power unfortunately is trumping the public welfare. Both sides of political spectrum have taken up unreasonable positions on the issue.


    Fear has taken hold fueled not only by the very real lethality and contagious nature of the disease but also by the perpetual lies or incompetence of those charged with public safety. Honesty can competence from public officials will go a long way in calming public fears. I don't think you can blame the public for their fears when statements made by public health officials have repeatedly been proven wrong (e.g. every hospital can contain Ebola) and given the inconsistent messaging from senior public officials. Just last week, Secretary Kerry said Ebola would become the next "scourge" while Obama is telling people Ebola is no big deal - no worries.

    So which is correct, is it the next great scourge or no worries? The public doesn't know, but they see people dying and the disease spreading, and public officials making false and inconsistent statements and taking inconsistent actions.
     
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  18. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    The good news:

    1) No more Ebola cases have surfaced in the US.

    2) Obama has appointed an Ebola czar to coordinate the Ebola fight.

    3) Obama has created an Ebola military fast reaction force to go any where at any time to fight the disease.

    4) Vaccines and treatments for Ebola are making breathtaking advances.

    Bad News:

    He still has not stopped issuing travel visas. So the nation remains at risk of another Duncan. And the incubation period for the disease well exceeds the 21 days for 5% of infected individuals.
     
  20. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    I'll add three more:
    5) He still has not stopped issuing travel visas, so US aid workers are still able to get in and out.
    6) The panic over Ebola seems to be dying down. CNN has moved Ebola stories down from the banner to story #5, which is "Ebola hysteria: An epic overreaction."
    7) Although many airlines have cancelled flights to West Africa, Brussles Airlines is still flying aid workers in and out, and Paul Allen has donated $3 million to maintain a charter air service.
     
  21. Yazata Valued Senior Member

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    While I think that's probably true, at least from the American perspective (it's less true in Liberia), it's kind of ironic to have CNN saying it.

    It's precisely CNN, along with the rest of its national media peers, that got the public so wound up in the first place, with several days of breathless non-stop end-of-the-world coverage. Now they seem to be implicitly sneering at their own viewers for taking what CNN said seriously.
     
  22. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Definitely. And not just CNN; FOX, MSNBC, CBS etc all have a habit of hyping everything from presidential elections to starlet scandals and then saying "we disapprove of all this hype! Where's the restraint, the deliberation?"
     
  23. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    Did CNN report anything incorrectly? And the western press is much larger than CNN. MANY American get their news from overseas (e.g. BBC, Aljazeera).


    Unlike Putin's Russia, the Western press is free.
     

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