Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! That from: http://thewatchers.adorraeli.com/2011/03/15/about-geomagnetic-reversal-and-poleshift/ Some of what I've read there seems a tad fanciful(so far). I've not followed through on their other claims concerning weather etc... I've been a tad under the weather, and was up on the roof installing the cupula for the solar chimney for the greenhouse during non bed time. Let me know what you think about the rest of the article there.
I.e. a O2 concentration lower by 0.000,019 but I'm to lazy to get the data but bet people in "mile high" Denver, have at least 100 times lower O2 concentration to cope with so don't agree that humans are so sensitive to the O2 concentrations as you think. Also, that rate of decline, I think, is more related to less forest and ocean phytoplankton growth now, but for a few centuries, humans can adapt as the Sherpa guides have.
Here is the image as a upload to sciforums. It looks as though it got removed from the site you linked to. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! It also comes from a web site that appears to be promoting an underlying apocalyptic theme IMO. Both web sites I believe have involvement in "surviving an apocalypse" so expect to see articles tainted with the underlying concerns about sustainability, ELE type scenarios etc. However be that as it may be, the graph if making use of reasonably legit data has "coincidentally" indicated a dramatic shift (spike) around the 1985 mark and this coincides with very many other superficially unrelated data sets that seem to do also. The hypothesis I put forward about 10 years about was that at late 1985/86 the Earths center of gravity had suddenly due to reasons I wont bother you with, become unstable, generating increased mass temperatures due to rapidly moving culminate gravitational tidal forces. The graph you have offered, if founded correctly, justifies further research, as magnetic pole shifts could be directly associated with Earth COG movements as I hypothesized 10 years or so ago.
But do you believe the relationship between the ozone layer and global O2 is worth considering or not?
This is wrong. What the recent reports actually said was that while the Ozone layer is repairing itself[sup]1[/sup], it's not doing so as fast as was expected, and the levels of certain CFC's (or a particular CFC) were not declining as fast as was expected and so they're looking for a/the source of that/those CFCs. [sup]1[/sup]While it's true that the ozone layer is repairing itself, given the level of Ozone depletion we have seen, it's possible that it may be at the levels seen in the '80s and still have improved.
I guess what I am really trying to suggest is that climate change is only one symptom of an underlying issue. Taking climate change in isolation could be very misleading as to ideas about causality. IMO We have planet that is enduring many issues simultaneously.
The other thing to consider is that the worlds population maybe starting to realize that climate change is not only a reality but one that we have no control over and that if the trend in dynamic weather continues the world will not be all that recognizable in merely a few years. This years summer, for example, is the first year I have had to seriously consider the use of air conditioning for potential heat exhaustion reasons. Talking amongst friends reveals they are all considering like wise. This is unprecedented. The fear of the summer in Melbourne has increased quite dramatically. Gov. Health resources devoted to heat related events has increased accordingly. The "bush fire" season here in Australia is about to start. Every time there is reported a dramatic unprecedented climate event such as what is happening in the Himalayas currently, drives peoples concerns even higher. But mostly they realize the the "horse has bolted" and there is not much we as a race can do. http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-29657797 So "fluffing" over CO2 emissions is being largely ignored IMO
So the "conservative" ignorant have been shepherded from denial to resignation in one move, leaping informed reaction and adult response in a single bound, and are now rejecting measures to restrain the CO2 boost because nothing can be done - as far as they know. The propagandists who engineered that beauty are the best that has ever walked the earth at what they do.
I reckon when Reagen and Gorby sat down to end the cold war in 1986'ish they already knew that nothing could be done...and the biggest cover up in the history of the human race began in earnest. With "unprecedented climate and other events" occurring at almost regular intervals ever since. (but then again I am just another conspiracy theorist nutter Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! )
I don't know, but off hand I would say Global O2 is much larger and nearly constant and the ozone layer is not - but subject to abuse by lots of agents much more important (to it not people) than O2. Sort of like asking it I think the relationship between much larger coal and diamonds is worth considering or not.
That Reagan knew anything about any scientific matter is as wildly improbable as the notion he wanted to end the Cold War. This was the Star Wars president - remember?
ha... Probably true, however R Feynman was one of his best so called "engineers" remember [re: inquiry into challenger disaster Jan 28th 1986] Not to mention Chernobyl reactor failure April 26 1986
Feynman did not work for Reagan, or at his recommendation, or probably with his knowledge. The significance of Chernobyl for the Reagan era was negative - Reagan refused to take advantage of it to get a good deal on nuclear weapons reductions and a weapons test ban treaty, so that when Chernobyl brought down the Soviet Union (according to Gorbachev, that was the main cause - the Afghan war the Carter administration sucked them into is given more significance by most people I read} the threat of the nuclear weapons getting loose was more severe than it might have been. It was the early glow of the Reagan era, with its anti-intellectual ideology and its startling incompetence, stumbling from corruption to clusterfuck and back again. In the service of this thread, note that Reagan's early Presidency was the beginning of having relevant officials, the people actually in charge of handling things, say things like trees cause more air pollution than cars or environmentalism is foolish because Jesus is coming soon. You have to figure that the CO2 boost would be considerably smaller now if Carter had beaten Reagan in 1980, and people like James Watt and Anne Gorsuch had never been allowed anywhere near a mineral rights leasing agency.
not so! from wiki: "Rogers Commission The Presidential Commission on the Space Shuttle Challenger Accident, also known as the Rogers Commission (after its chairman), was formed to investigate the disaster. The commission members were Chairman William P. Rogers, Vice Chairman Neil Armstrong, David Acheson, Eugene Covert, Richard Feynman, Robert Hotz, Donald Kutyna, Sally Ride, Robert Rummel, Joseph Sutter, Arthur Walker, Albert Wheelon, and Chuck Yeager. The commission worked for several months and published a report of its findings." Reagen appointed the Rogers Commission and R. Feynman was a member of that commission. I believe there is some debate about the significance of Chernobyl disaster and the subsequent voluntary cooperation and help Russia needed to secure it's otherwise insecure nuclear assets. Basically the theory is that the Soviet nuclear assets where verging on "spontaneous" self destruction due to inferior design techniques and the world needed the cold war to end so that the USA could secretly get inside the soviet nuclear system and help restore it's security and integrity (with Soviet permission). The Soviets could not gain this tech help if the cold war was left to continue. The spontaneous self destruction and reactor failure at Chernobyl in 1986 was deliberately blamed on human error as a smoke screen to hypothetically hide the severe and unexpected shift in "natural" geomagnetic integrity and poor reactor design, that led to nuclear reaction becoming potentially uncontrollable. In other words the cold war ended because if it didn't the Soviet nuclear assets had the potential to self destruct because of this geomagnetic & Earth COG environment change and the world as we know it would not exist. That's the hypothesis any way.... Now that I have the data for the North pole movement at that time evidence to support the hypothesis is stronger. (thanks sculptor) As to Reagen's capacity to lead I can not properly comment.
One of the reasons Feynman was appointed was because he had the freedom and the tenacity to ask questions that needed to be answered that other commission members were unable to ask.
another may have been that he probably had the highest security clearance and had privileged information at his disposal.
Btw the data string used for that graph on the shifting pole appears to be legit.. http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/geomag/data/poles/NP.xy
I don't thinks that is correct. Both the US and the USSR, chose less safe alternative reactor designs to facilitate the construction of nuclear weapons. Oak Ridge had made a prototype of a Thorium Reactor, and ran it for a year or so, but it is a very poor path to generation of plutonium, that could make A-bombs. So the funding for that research was cut and greater funding built a gaseous diffusion plant to enrich the U235 content. It was located where the government owned TVA hydroelectric power could drive the pressure pumps. (That part of Tennessee had low population then, and there was lots of excess generation capacity and transmission grids were not yet able to move all the generation capacity to where it could be used. - I.e. the power for the pumps was essentially "free." Centrifuge enrichment was not as attractive then - more technology development needed to make it the better choice as it is today.) The USSR, did not have the TVA's "free power" so chose a reactor designed to maximize the production of Plutonium. Unfortunately for all, that type reactor has a positive temperature coefficient. I. e. the hotter the core, the faster the reaction rate, but they can be safe with control rods. The temperature coefficient, its value, was known only from theory. So probably with some vague permission from higher ups, at least locally the decision was to measure it. This was done late (past midnight, I think) when Chernobyl's power was not needed and the reactor could be taken off line. Also some of the safety controls/over rides had to be disabled, even with the control rods partially withdrawn. There are some details I forget fully but the tip ends of the control rods actually increase the reaction rate and that complicated the planned measurements. Not sure, but think some rods were left fully inserted while others were essentially fully removed for the test.* After the core temperature had risen (and the reaction rate) and measurements of both were reasonably accurately known, they started to re insert the with drawn control rods, but they (or some) would not go all the way down. With their tips in the reactor boosting the reaction rate along with the higher temperature, and no way to slow that reaction rate increase down, some one said, (in Russian): "Lets get the hell out of here." and the rest is history. * I suspect that also contributed to the disaster. I. e. parts of the reactor core near these fully inserted rods were cooler than parts with their local control rods withdrawn. I think this thermal gradient could easily warp some of the fuel cases, bend them slightly even. As Murphy noted: "If anything can go wrong, it will." I think any "help" was with the command & control of the weapons, not with the weapons and "went both ways." I. e. as part of their mutual interest in making sure now crazy general started WWIII, both sides reviewed the C&C systems of the other to both see if theirs could be improved and most importantly to be assured the system was safe from some nut who wanted to commit suicide with all regretting his death. I would also like to note, that their is a strong and dangerous POV that the US has the best technology, and others like USSR or now China must steal it. I worked at LASL, two summers, helping to make a high temperature vacuum furnace.* (My tasks focused on some water cooled probes we could insert into it.. Parts of them and the main, electrically heated cylindrical chamber were of necessity made of titanium.) LASL was one of only 2 or 3 places in the US that had the techology required for fabrication of titanium parts then, but the USSR was already making the leading edges of their super-sonic jets out of titanium. I think this is why some Migs (lent to China, I assume) could cross the Yaula River (China's border with N. Korea) fly south, fire the ordnance in support of the advancing N. Korean hoards, and quickly turn tail and out run anything the US had at the time safely back across the Yaula. * Cesium has the interesting (and unique, I think) characteristic that when molecule collides with very hot metal, it leaves as an ion - having given an electron to the metal. Idea behind this program was to some day install these "thermally energized" electrical units inside a heat source (nuclear reactor ?) - To hell with that steam turbine, etc. - make electric power directly from thermal energy. Unfortunately, AFAIK, the death of the sole full time researcher, Neal C., ended the investigation. My VW blew its timing gear on the drive west for the second summer, so I arrived after a weekend. On that week end, Neal and one other were leading a party of "Rock climbers" in Colorado and both were buried exploring an alternate path's rock slide - bodies never recovered. I had learned from Neal the summer before the basics of rock climbing. My broken VW surely saved my life. Only knowing Neal, I would have gone with him. Only I knew any details about the vacuum furnace. - My 2nd summer job became to assemble it as best I could and write a manual on it. I doubt Neal's idea has been investigated more. The three "faits" were cruel to Neal, perhaps to the entire world if Neal's idea was great, but kind to me - broke a timing gear deep inside my VW's motor.
as/re O couple thoughts The earth seems constantly bombarded by space debris including h20, and organic molecules. The primary producers release O while sequestering C and H. The more O in the atmosphere, the more likely that some will migrate up to the ozone layer. It seems that much of the CO2 sequestration scheems I've read about would also sequester some of that O. Ergo: Best to let the primary producers do that job? .......................... Back to casting new firebrick tiles for the wood stove and roof prep for the new metal shingles over the shop. (it's an old stove, and nobody makes that size tiles anymore----'t'would be a lot easier to just buy some---and I use a mix of deer tallow and alchohol as a mold release----and the alchohol smell permeates the shop and studio.
