GOP takes Senate, increases majority in house, and picks up more governorships

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  1. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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  3. madanthonywayne Morning in America Registered Senior Member

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    I know you think that if you keep repeating that lie it will eventually become the truth, but you are mistaken.

    While there is a small kernel of truth in what you're saying in that Obamacare is loosely based upon the reform passed by then governor Romney and on ideas backed by a Conservative think tank in the 1990's as an alternative to Hilary care; calling Obamacare "their (the Republicans) plan" is very misleading as it suggests suggests that it (or something like it) enjoyed broad support among Republicans which was never true.

    Republicans have consistently opposed an increased role for the government in healthcare since at least the Sixties with a few notable exceptions such as Romney and Nixon.
     
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  5. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    Unfortunately for you Mad, what I wrote is the truth. Obamacare originated in a Republican think tank. It was endorsed by Republican Speaker Gingrich as recently as 2009. Romney implemented it in Massachusetts. So to attempt to back away now is more than a disingenuous.
     
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  7. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    It absolutely did until Obama proposed it. Heck, Richard Nixon proposed mandatory employer coverage for employees in 1974. Stuart Butler of the Heritage Foundation (a right wing think tank) objected and demanded an individual mandate. From his proposal:

    "This mandate is based on two important principles. First, that health care protection is a responsibility of individuals, not businesses. . . . If a young man wrecks his Porsche and has not had the foresight to obtain insurance, we may commiserate but society feels no obligation to repair his car. But health care is different. If a man is struck down by a heart attack in the street, Americans will care for him whether or not he has insurance. . . . A mandate on individuals recognizes this implicit contract. Society does feel a moral obligation to insure that its citizens do not suffer from the unavailability of health care."

    Here's a list of Republicans who supported a mandate for health care before Obama proposed that:

    Rick Santorum - wanted to "require individuals to buy health insurance rather than forcing employers to pay for benefits."

    George H.W. Bush: Proposed a Heritage-style plan. Never got much traction.

    Dan Quayle: Supported the Heritage idea.

    Mitt Romney, of course. Mitt: "We got the idea of an individual mandateā€¦from [Newt Gingrich]."

    Newt Gingrich

    Bob Dole (R-Kansas)

    John Chafee (R-R.I.)

    Robert Bennet (R-Utah)

    Christopher Bond (R-Mo.)

    George Brown (R-Colo.)

    John Danforth (R-Mo.)

    Sen. Pete Domenici (R-N.M.)

    Sen. David Durenberger (R-Minn.)

    Sen. Duncan Faircloth (R-N.C.)

    Sen. William Cohen (R-Maine)

    Sen. Slade Gorton (R-Wash.)

    Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa)

    Sen. Mark Hatfield (R-Ore.)

    Sen. Nancy Kassebaum (R-Kansas)

    Sen. Dick Lugar (R-Ind.)

    Sen. Alan Simpson (R-Wyo.)

    Sen. Arlen Specter (R-Pa.)

    Sen. Ted Stevens (R-Alaska)

    Sen. John Warner (R-Va.)

    Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah)

    Indeed, it is worth noting that all the above supported a more socialist version of Obamacare, one that put more of the responsibility for healthcare on the employer rather than on the people. (To use right-wing rhetoric, they wanted Big Brother instead of personal responsibility.)

    Ironic, then, that the republican governor in Massachusetts implemented the prototype - and also ironic that Obamacare is a less government-centric plan than the plan the Republicans supported.
     
  8. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Mandating central responsibility be placed on private employers is not socialist. It is authoritarian capitalist (usually fascist).
     

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