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  1. pashley Registered Senior Member

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    If I cite a halfway-house for Christian teen girls who are pregnant ... well, I can't even address the issues of what this girl didn't know about her sexuality before she
    It looks like your catholic upbringing didn't quite sit with you, now you're atheist or agnostic, is that right?

    I think your point is, "See the catholics won't teach sexuality, so it's their fault the kid got pregnant." Well, for one, I believe they teach that sexuality is to be reserved for a married couple; that it is a beautiful thing. So, they teach abstinence, which is the best policy, regarding "safe sex" (threre is no such thing). If the kid goes against that, and does it anyway, I hope you're not saying Catholics are at fault. At least the Catholics show the good charity to help the person out.


    What do you mean, 'transcend' it? I always have a difficult time understanding what you are trying to say

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    The Pope has apologize for past transgressions, if that is what you are looking for.

    I think man, thru greed, power hunger and political ambition visits more hurt upon this world than any religious sect.



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  3. Bowser Namaste Valued Senior Member

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    <font color = "blue">pashley-

    "I think man, thru greed, power hunger and political ambition visits more hurt upon this world than any religious sect."
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    <img src = "http://users.esc.net.au/~nitro/BBoard_member_gifs/bowser_anim.gif"> I agree with you there, but I see religion as being a tool for satisfying desires such as greed, power, and ambition. Also, Christianity is nothing more than a floating apology for mans evil. It tells us that we can't rise above our faults, so we just as well throw in the towel and pray for a better end. Tell me this is wrong.


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  5. Boris Senior Member Registered Senior Member

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    I think at issue is not the fact that the church or its constituents are imperfect. Being an organization of humans, for humans, and by humans, the church naturally brings with it all the problems normally associated with humanity -- no surprises there.

    I think the real issue is that the church claims to be a solution to social problems. This is where they are just plain wrong. In fact the church brings no net benefit that could not be achieved without it, while at the same time characteristically brainwashing its subjects in all sorts of subtle and not-so-subtle ways. Hence, my argument is that religion is generally not beneficial, and all the while it is certainly detrimental to the mind.

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  7. Theword Registered Member

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    To you who hear I say, love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. To the person who strikes you on one cheek, offer the other one as well, and from the person who takes your cloak, do not withhold your tunic. Give to everyone who asks of you, and from the one who takes what is yours do not demand it back. Do to others as you would have them do to you. For if you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? Even sinners love those who love them. And if you do good to those who do good to you, what credit is that to you? Even sinners do the same. If you lend money to those from whom you expect repayment, what credit is that to you? Even sinners lend to sinners, and get back the same amount. But rather, love your enemies and do good to them, and lend expecting nothing back; then your reward will be great and you will be children of the Most High, for he himself is kind to the ungrateful and the wicked. Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful.

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  8. Bowser Namaste Valued Senior Member

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    "To you who hear I say, love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. I once tried that, but they just keep giving me more of the same trouble. Often they claim to be Christians. To the person who strikes you on one cheek, offer the other one as well, and from the person who takes your cloak, do not withhold your tunic. Give to everyone who asks of you, and from the one who takes what is yours do not demand it back. Do to others as you would have them do to you. For if you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? Even sinners love those who love them. And if you do good to those who do good to you, what credit is that to you? Even sinners do the same. If you lend money to those from whom you expect repayment, what credit is that to you? Even sinners lend to sinners, and get back the same amount. But rather, love your enemies and do good to them, and lend expecting nothing back; then your reward will be great and you will be children of the Most High, for he himself is kind to the ungrateful and the wicked. Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful."
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    <img src = "http://users.esc.net.au/~nitro/BBoard_member_gifs/bowser_anim.gif">That's all very good, and I agree with most of it, but how does it conflict with the activities of the church in politics and individual liberty and individual privacy. How has it weathered through history while in the hands of church authorities. If we were to stand on just the above, I don't think we would have many issues to argue, but Christian involvement goes way beyond this, and I suggest that Christian faith is lost on the words you have posted.



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  9. Theword Registered Member

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    This people honors me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me; In vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines human precepts.

    You disregard God's commandment but cling to human tradition. How well you have set aside the commandment of God in order to uphold your tradition.

    You nullify the word of God in favor of your tradition that you have handed on. And you do many such things.

    This is the time of fulfillment. The kingdom of God is at hand. Repent, and believe in the gospel.

    Those who are well do not need a physician, but the sick do. I did not come to call the righteous but sinners.

    Come after me, and I will make you fishers of men. Follow me.


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  10. Tony H2o Registered Senior Member

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    James 1:22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

    Matthew 7:
    21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
    22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
    23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
    24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
    25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
    26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
    27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.
    28 And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the people were astonished at his doctrine:
    29 For he taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes.

    Psalms 119:89 For ever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven.
    Psalms 119:105 Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.
    Psalms 119:140 Thy word is very pure: therefore thy servant loveth it.
    Psalms 119:160 Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever.
    John 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.


    GO WORD GO!!!!!!!

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  11. Adlerian Registered Senior Member

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    Bowser: What you have said about the church is correct as far as I can tell. This does not mean though that the Bible is incorrect about things like loving your neighbor. Christians make a poor case for Christianity, that is obvious.

    I DO have to disagree with one thing you said. It's all very small!

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