The Cosmological Argument for God.

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  1. Adlerian Registered Senior Member

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    Boris: I second the motion. Can we call for a vote?

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  3. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Valued Senior Member

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    Aye.

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  5. Theword Registered Member

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    I have told you this while I was with you. The Advocate, the holy Spirit that the Father will send in my name - he will teach you everything and remind you of all that I told you. Peace I leave with you; my peace I give to you. Do not let your hearts be troubled or afraid. You heard me tell you, 'I am going away and I will come back to you.' If you loved me, you would rejoice that I am going to the Father; for the Father is greater than I. And now I have told you this before it happens, so that when it happens you may believe.

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  7. Flash Registered Senior Member

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    Boris,
    Goooooooooooood point... in agreement with ya on this buddy!!
     
  8. Tony H2o Registered Senior Member

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    All,

    Regarding Theword.

    If you do read it then please try to understand it.

    If you don't read it it won't confront you.


    This person is obviously not trying to force their opinions or views down your throats, so please don't get bent outta shape about them posting. In my opinion they are in their own way attempting to share with you the words of Christ in which they find truth and comfort. They are trying to do this within the context of the conversation at hand and there by show you that God is interested.

    Instead of slamming this person I think we should welcome them, even if their views differ from our own. To not listen to others views and claim that they are less intelligent because of the presentation reminds me of a personality that rose to prominence in WW2.

    Any guess who I'm refering to? He had a lovely little moe. In fact I kind of remember certain individuals around here slamming him also................and now doing the same things he did? Come on guys try to understand what Theword is saying and why.

    Tony H2o


    Oh yeah, just in case anyone is wondering NO I am not Theword. I do however try my hardest to listen to it.
     
  9. Tony H2o Registered Senior Member

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    Actualy I'm the bearded guy in the desert who eats grasshoppers and wild honey while wearing camel skin clothes.

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    Ok bad joke, sorry but I'm not a scratch on him either.

    A VOICE OF ONE CRYING OUT IN THE WILDERNESS, "MAKE STRAIGHT THE WAY OF THE LORD"
     
  10. Theword Registered Member

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    The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he has annointed me to bring glad tidings to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim liberty to captives and recovery of sight to the blind, to let the oppressed go free, and to proclaim a year acceptable to the Lord.

    Today this scripture passage is fulfilled in your hearing.

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  11. Flash Registered Senior Member

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    "Actually I'm the bearded guy in the desert who eats grasshoppers and wild honey while wearing camel skin clothes"

    HAHAHAHAHAHA.... uhhhhh..hungry?

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  12. Tony H2o Registered Senior Member

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    Word,

    Buddy I'm right with you on the scriptures, God's word will not return void.

    But I'm starting to see a messianic complex developing. I trust that you are not claiming to be the Lord himself or the Holy Spirit?

    Sharing scripture to edify and exhort others to believe is excellent.

    A little clarification of where your coming from maybe? Please? Just take me as being one of the disciples when they were missing the point on something OK

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    Allcare

    Tony


    Hey Word,

    I just noticed that your little tag that states "This is the Word of God" still says THIS IS and not I AM. So I retract my thing about the complex, maybe a little parranoia on my part............Sorry

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    [This message has been edited by Tony H2o (edited May 12, 2000).]
     
  13. Flash Registered Senior Member

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    Tony saying to self: Nope...I'm not paranoid..not one little bit... LOL!!!!!

    LOL..FYI...I was writing this when you edited
    your post adding the bit about paranoia...
    Hope you do not take me poking fun at you the wrong way. Just a joke dude..

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  14. Tony H2o Registered Senior Member

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    Flash,

    Got a toothpick handy?

    Darn little legs get stuck in ya teeth

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    Honestly though, talk about a dedication and faith to be inspired by. I mean itchy camel hair and then there's bugs for diner. It really makes me wonder sometimes if I lost absolutly everything where would my faith be? Seriously, its easy to say yeah Lord I'd die for you, yeah don't matter what happens I'll stick it out. I kind of think I'd probably find myself in a similar position to John the baptizer when he was imprisoned. I'd be crying out and sending out messengers asking "are you the one or should we seek another?"

    Kinda makes you wonder about the depth of your faith sometimes, about doubts, about crunch time if it ever comes.

    I'm glad however that He has taught me not to run away from me doubts but to confront them. To not fear depression but to learn from it what He is saying. To stop and see eternity as well as that which surround me.

    John the Baptizer, the greatest prophet that ever was, he even had his doubt to contend with. But he heard the Lords answer to it, I think there's something to learn from that.

    Exit preachy mode.

    Engage jovial mode.

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  15. Theword Registered Member

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    You are thinking not as God does, but as human beings do.

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  16. Flash Registered Senior Member

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    Tony,
    Legs in your teeth can be an awful thing..LOL
    You're ate up, man...LOL BUT, funny.

    Ok, are you a preacher or what????? LOL
     
  17. Flash Registered Senior Member

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    Ok, Boris, I know I said I wouldn't do this..but I just gotta know one thing...
    Word, are you directing your last post to Tony? If so...what they heck do you mean by it????????????
    *thinking to self..good thing I'm not a cat*
     
  18. Tony H2o Registered Senior Member

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    He means my thoughts are carnal and not of God.

    He's right, my mind is not Gods mind, my thoughts are not Gods thoughts. Its a round about way of using God's word to encourage me to not go to far over the edge with the jovial mood.

    My thanks Word.

    By the way did you here the one about..........

    OK OK I'll stop

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    God does have a sense of humor folks, when Jesus walked the earth He had a short time frame in which to get across some very deep spiritual principles to His disciples. Thus we see a fairly serious tone in the Gospels, however I am sure He had time to stop and make the children smile. To laugh with those around about Him as well as cry out for them and eventually die for them. But the overwhelming joy is that he rose again, and a faith in that fact brings a bigger happy, an eternal joy in the depth of your being that surpasses the laughter of a lighter moment.

    Flash as much as we've been enjoying having a chuckle Word is saying don't let the moment distract you from the eternal.

    As far as how the Lord gives it to me anyway.


    So did you hear the one..............Stop it already OK

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  19. Flash Registered Senior Member

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    Tony,
    WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAA, DUDE...WAIT A MINUTE. I understand that there is a time to be serious and a time not to be..but COME ON! Tony, doesn't the bible also say laughter does good like medicine????????
    Not every thing has to be so bloody serious, ya know? One of the things that I enjoy about reading your posts, Tony, is your GREAT SENSE OF HUMOR! You are here to learn and to share what you feel God places on your heart. I think we all know that here. If you think that God cannot use you when you are being funny then I must say bull roar. Be you, Tony...not what the little perfect "christian mold" THINKS you ought to be.
     
  20. Tony H2o Registered Senior Member

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    Hey Flash,

    Don't freak out for me buddy, its cool my sense of humor is still intact. When I read those things from Gods Word they are also a medicine for me. But you know what's making me really smile at the moment is the fact that you are learning the whole counsel of God.

    You are correct Flash.

    Ecclesiastes 3:

    1 To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:
    2 A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;
    3 A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up;
    4 A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance;
    5 A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing;
    6 A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away;
    7 A time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak;
    8 A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace.
    9 What profit hath he that worketh in that wherein he laboureth?
    10 I have seen the travail, which God hath given to the sons of men to be exercised in it.


    Jesus knew this, Jesus lived this, this is how I know He had a complete personality capable of all facets of human emotion.

    I don't know who word is but I think whoever it is really has a strong desire to live for God and see others do the same. So strong that they do not want to tarnish the words of Jesus and so they post them verbatim.

    One thing to remember though is that satan also knows God's word, and he misquotes it as he did at the temptation of Christ.


    Word,

    As much as I love seeing "Gods Word" posted up here please be sure of the context. God's living word brings life, hope and conviction not condemnation.

    If you wish to talk outside of this forum then my e-mail is above, please feel free to contact me.

    Allcare

    Tony H2o
     
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    Well almost, got excited a little to soon so like the last 25 mins are gonna really drag.

    Gee I'm glad they gave me internet access.

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  22. Flash Registered Senior Member

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    Ok, Tony... Freak out mode turned off.
    Hey, have a great weekend with your family!
     
  23. pashley Registered Senior Member

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    Did anybody want to take a stab at critiquing the Cosmological argument i did in the OP, or just banter on off-topic?

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