Life after death / O.B.E.s

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  1. pashley Registered Senior Member

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    Does anyone have experiences with near death experiences, out-of-body experiences?

    Would anyone like to comment on the issue?

    I believe there is life after death. And not just on faith. I've studied the accounts of people that have been clinically dead. Some stated nothing happened, some stayed they had experiences.

    What really gets me is when one of these folks can accurately describe what was going on in their immediate area, an adjacent room, or where loved ones are, while clinically dead.

    How could that be a hallucination? If it is verifiable, this ability to describe events that they should not be able to, then there must be life after death.

    Fascinating subject.

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  3. Zapper Registered Senior Member

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    pashley

    I tend to agree with you on this. I could
    buy into the ideal that it was the mind playing games, but when you have people describing incidents sometimes miles away from them at the time that was happening, or children claiming they saw a sister or brother who had died at birth that they knew nothing about..... well, I have to wonder what is going on.
    My belief is that our minds are connected somehow to the whole..... whatever that is, and during the the dieing process amoung other times we can tap into that 'whole'. I don't claim to have throught this ideal up, it's actually one of many ways to explain it that I've read over the years.
    But rather you believe it or not, the one nice thing is if it's a part of the dieing process, then at least it can make it somewhat pleasant at the time. That is unless of course you have the bad type of NDE experience.

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  5. pashley Registered Senior Member

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    Yeah, that's what I am saying, very interesting stuff.

    Sometimes I wonder if all deist religions are wrong AND right. Wrong in asserting their peculiar God, but right in that there IS a God; a "something" out there that is pure love.

    I once went to a George Anderson public reading. He is a top-notch medium. Communicates with the dead, and so on. Now, I'm a skeptical kinda guy with this stuff. I've seen frauds. I have an open mind to it, but skeptical. Anyway, he was getting a "hit" on one spirit, and he was able to connect to this divorced couple who had lost their child in a bike accident. He kept going on about the incident, giving really specific details about the death, the kid, and so on. Now, he wasn't feeling out the details; it was more like he was reading a fact sheet. I'm telling you, if these people were all in cahoots, they were academy award winners. It was quite hair raising. I video taped it. Again, could they been dishonest? Yes, but man, i would be highly surprised. The people were so emotional and so sincere...I don't know what to tell ya!

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  7. Tony H2o Registered Senior Member

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    Pash,

    Are you a Christian?



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  8. Boris Senior Member Registered Senior Member

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    Tony,

    How much do you want to bet this is not a thinly veiled attempt by the Christian establishment to suppress competing superstitions? Just please don't remind me that God wrote the Bible, I know that already...

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  9. Theword Registered Member

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    You are misled because you do not know the scriptures or the power of God.

    He is not the God of the dead but of the living.
     
  10. Flash Registered Senior Member

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    Tony,
    I have a question. What about the story in the Bible in which Saul summons a woman with familiar spirits and at Saul's request speaks with Samuel. If that is so wrong...why did Samuel speak with her to deliver a message to Saul?
     
  11. Boris Senior Member Registered Senior Member

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    Why Flash, that wouldn't be a Bible contradiction -- would it?

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    Btw nice to see you're still around.

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  12. Zapper Registered Senior Member

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    "How much do you want to bet this is not a thinly veiled attempt by the Christian establishment to suppress competing superstitions?"

    Ride On Boris....

    I think this statement has a great deal of truth in it. Not only on this particular subject in the Bible, but of a multatude of subjects that are in the Bible. No tolerance for other concepts and ideas are allowed.....
     
  13. Flash Registered Senior Member

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    Boris,
    LOL...well, yeah..it does seem like it, I know. Actually, what I found interesting is that Saul had tried time and again to get God to answer him... If I remember right Saul was separated by God due to sin or something like that..so he got desperate and went against his own rules and consulted a medium. Although Saul was "in sin" Samuel was a man of God...so I just don't get it, ya know

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  14. Tony H2o Registered Senior Member

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    Flash and others,

    The answer is there in 1 Samuel 28.

    Flash your on the rigth track, Saul went against God's commands.

    The understanding lies in what the womans response was when she saw Samuel. Also worth remembering is the fact that Samuel had died in the chapter prior. Get it? Dead, no longer amongst the living, six foot under, in the realm of spirit beings.

    I know I haven't given you all much but I would rather see you all discover the answer for yourself than to spoon feed hecklers.

    The answer is there if you honestly seek it.

    Allcare

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  15. Flash Registered Senior Member

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    Tony,
    Ok, point taken...I'll look this up and read it.. Yeah, I KNOW Samuel was dead..that's what I don't get... If Samuel was a man of God..then why would he speak with this woman in the first place???? I know..I know..I'll read it for myself

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    I hope you realize I'm not poking fun, ok? I am sincerely trying to understand.
     
  16. Tony H2o Registered Senior Member

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    Another hint: The woman was not expecting to see a certain person. Especially when that person stood against what she practiced.
     
  17. MoonCat Registered Senior Member

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    Pashley,

    Greetings! Don't think I've talked to you before. Nice to meetcha!

    I believe there is some kind of "after death" that we can be conscious of. My father, his father, and his father's father have all had communication with their sons as they each died, my father has promised to say a final goodbye to me after he passes on too. I sincerely believe this, with all my heart. My father is an honest, open person, he would have no reason to lie to me about something as important to him as his own father's death and subsequent visit, and I sincerely doubt his father made up his story about seeing HIS father after his death as well.

    I, personally, was clinically dead for about two minutes as a child, I just remember it being very cold. But, I was only a couple of years old when it happened, and didn't even try to remember it until many years later, so I don't hold a lot of stock in that memory. That may be the memory of how I felt right afterwards...??

    I know a couple of people that claim to have had out of body experiences. One of them is a recent acquaintance, and she says she can probably teach me how to travel in the astral plane too. I'll keep you updated if I decide to try it.

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  18. Adlerian Registered Senior Member

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    MoonCat: How much does a ticket cost for a ride on an astral plane?

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  19. Flash Registered Senior Member

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    Tony,
    Ok, I read it... I do remember that Saul had disguised himself so the woman wouldn't know that it was him. I suppose he was desperate for an answer seeing how he did not receive one from God. STILL, what I do not understand is why would Samuel speak to this woman in the first place if it was against God's law? Can you explain that part for me?
    Thanks,
    Flash
     
  20. MoonCat Registered Senior Member

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    Alderian,

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    Word is, it's free! You just have to work hard to achieve it. Being the lazy soul that I am...well, don't hold your breath on my account.

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    (edit: Duh, I get it. Astral plain, I should have said. Dangit. Typing too fast, reading too sloppily. Sigh.

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  21. Adlerian Registered Senior Member

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    Mooncat:

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    Hiya, I was just kidding with you. I have astral traveled before and I have my own idea about what is actually happening. I recommend that you don't try it. It CAN be VERY dangerous! Take it from one who has been there!

    Cheers

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    and Nice to meet you!

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  22. Theword Registered Member

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    Amen, amen, I say to you, whoever hears my words and believes in the one who sent me has eternal life and will not come to condemnation, but has passed from death to life. Amen, amen, I say to you, the hour is coming and is now here when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live.

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  23. Flash Registered Senior Member

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    Adlerian,
    Just curious...why do you feel that astral projection is dangerous?
     

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