What came before the Big Bang?

I am one of the TOM , DICK and HARRY . I am enthusiast in science, my carrier is in chemistry , but we all going through undergraduate were exposed briefly with different branch of science. The forum gives us
TOM, Dick and Harry a sort of exposure to learn the latest information and we expose our ignorance in attempt to learn

 

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Me also....The Tom, Dick and Harry's I refer to, are the ones that pop in on this and other science forum, claiming to rewrite 21st century cosmology and probably claim they have a TOE to boot.
Speculative ideas are great to discuss, as long as one does not get over-inflated and suddenly thinks he has worked it all out.

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What came before the BB is the sticking point .

What came before the BB is .....infinity of energy and matter

 

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Better

EVERYTHING for INFINITY

 

We can't even make that assumption because we can never know. I wish someone could find a way to know.

 

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777 googolplex trillion big bangs.

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Right......trillion big bangs based on nothing before ; ridiculous

 

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If there has been more than 1& specially if there have been many, that would be a strong indication it did not come from nothing.

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Obviously you are trolling as usual. I base that on the fact that you have already been informed more than once that we do not as yet know the how or why of the BB...In fact all our knowledge ceases at 10-43 seconds after the initial event.
Still, reputable experts do speculate as follows......
https://www.astrosociety.org/publications/a-universe-from-nothing/
A Universe from Nothing
by Alexei V. Filippenko and Jay M. Pasachoff

Insights from modern physics suggest that our wondrous universe may be the ultimate free lunch.

Adapted from The Cosmos: Astronomy in the New Millennium, 1st edition, by Jay M. Pasachoff and Alex Filippenko, © 2001. Reprinted with permission of Brooks/Cole, an imprint of the Wadsworth Group, a division of Thomson Learning.

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In the inflationary theory, matter, antimatter, and photons were produced by the energy of the false vacuum, which was released following the phase transition. All of these particles consist of positive energy. This energy, however, is exactly balanced by the negative gravitational energy of everything pulling on everything else. In other words, the total energy of the universe is zero! It is remarkable that the universe consists of essentially nothing, but (fortunately for us) in positive and negative parts. You can easily see that gravity is associated with negative energy: If you drop a ball from rest (defined to be a state of zero energy), it gains energy of motion (kinetic energy) as it falls. But this gain is exactly balanced by a larger negative gravitational energy as it comes closer to Earth’s center, so the sum of the two energies remains zero.

The idea of a zero-energy universe, together with inflation, suggests that all one needs is just a tiny bit of energy to get the whole thing started (that is, a tiny volume of energy in which inflation can begin). The universe then experiences inflationary expansion, but without creating net energy.

What produced the energy before inflation? This is perhaps the ultimate question. As crazy as it might seem, the energy may have come out of nothing! The meaning of “nothing” is somewhat ambiguous here. It might be the vacuum in some pre-existing space and time, or it could be nothing at all – that is, all concepts of space and time were created with the universe itself.

Quantum theory, and specifically Heisenberg’s uncertainty principle, provide a natural explanation for how that energy may have come out of nothing. Throughout the universe, particles and antiparticles spontaneously form and quickly annihilate each other without violating the law of energy conservation. These spontaneous births and deaths of so-called “virtual particle” pairs are known as “quantum fluctuations.” Indeed, laboratory experiments have proven that quantum fluctuations occur everywhere, all the time. Virtual particle pairs (such as electrons and positrons) directly affect the energy levels of atoms, and the predicted energy levels disagree with the experimentally measured levels unless quantum fluctuations are taken into account.

Perhaps many quantum fluctuations occurred before the birth of our universe. Most of them quickly disappeared. But one lived sufficiently long and had the right conditions for inflation to have been initiated. Thereafter, the original tiny volume inflated by an enormous factor, and our macroscopic universe was born. The original particle-antiparticle pair (or pairs) may have subsequently annihilated each other – but even if they didn’t, the violation of energy conservation would be minuscule, not large enough to be measurable.

If this admittedly speculative hypothesis is correct, then the answer to the ultimate question is that the universe is the ultimate free lunch! It came from nothing, and its total energy is zero, but it nevertheless has incredible structure and complexity. There could even be many other such universes, spatially distinct from ours.

 

The same thing that is South of the South pole. Penguins. Penguins all the way up/down.

It can't be polar bears because evidently they can't adapt to warmer weather, and seals are too slippery (we could fall), so penguins must carry it, or perhaps clutch it between their gargantuan penguin legs. It was turtles until lonesome George passed away. He and his kind evidently weren't sufficiently eternal.

Time and the quantum fields which are its foundation was evidently not created by an energy/matter event, and this much existed before the Big Bang. Some event must have spontaneously happened in order to reduce the speed of energy propagation to something less than that of entanglement. Perhaps a collision with another quantum field that was in motion relative to the first in every direction? This would cause an abrupt partitioning in terms of amounts of energy and in which direction such a disturbance in the quantum fields would propagate.

All of which is to say, what sense does it really make to speculate about a Big Bang at all? If it happened you will never know for sure. If it didn't happen, you will never know for sure. This is the definition of uncertainty. What doesn't make sense is to pretend that it does.

 

Amen to that.

 

What came before the Big Bang?

The Big Seduction.

 

What came before Big Bang?

Big foreplay..L

 

Aurora borealis

 

That isn't north; that's up.

 

I do think most people believe the universe is natural. If that's the case it follows that the process that created our universe the Big Bang is also natural. The thing about natural processes is they don't come as a one only event. So there must be a place for these Big Bang events to happen in, and for want of a term for this place I will refer to it as the greater universe, and the universe we all know and love is the local universe. This idea describes a multi-verse and gives one pause wondering what happens to all the black holes when all the stars burn all the available fuel and the universe goes dark.

 

Which to your last statement is not logically possible. The Universe can never go dark because of the lack of fuel. That begets nothing ; nothing can never transform into something. Since nothing is the complete and absolute opposite of something.

 

I found an article and clipped it to maybe better describe what I was trying to say.

http://www.universetoday.com/11430/the-end-of-everything/

 

Really joy.

Thats just the dumdest argument I have read.

If thats all you think of Humanity then have at it.

Nothing new to me. Read it a thousand times before. Thats the problem. This attitude gets regurgitated over and over again.

I don't think this way never will.

 

This is getting a bit off track but the human species will be long gone before the last star burns out. So it's probably a moot point as far as we are concerned. Not sure why you think the universe is forever. But all things have a starting point and an ending point, the stars, the universe and even the black holes. However some of those life cycles are so incredibly long that we have trouble conceptualizing it.