Searcher, Mooncat Regarding Fathers: The measure of your real success is one you cannot spend - its the way your child describes you when talking to a friend. Martin Baxbaum What a father says to his children is not heard by the world, but it is heard by posterity. Jean Paul Richther The man will never be unwelcome to others who makes himself agreeable to his own family. Plautus The best time to tackle a minor problem is before it grows up. Hermine Hartley A young child, a fresh, uncluttered mind, a world before him – to what treasures will I lead him? Gladys M Hunt The most successful parents are those who have the skill to get behind their children’s eyes, seeing what they see, thinking what they think, feeling what they feel. James Dobson A girl gets a picture of what to be from the way she sees her father react to women in general and to her in particular. David Jeremiah Its not what you think, or teach, or expect from your child that influences them, it’s what you live before them. Kids don’t care about what dad thinks, until they think dad cares. A father ought to help his son to form the habit of doing right on his own initiative rather than out of fear of serious consequences. This I have learnt from my heavenly Father. A good example has twice the value of good advice. By wisdom is a house built, and by understanding it is established. Proverbs 24:3 Fathers, don’t scold your children so much that they become discouraged and quit trying. Colossians 3:21 A child tells in the street what its father says at home. The Talmud There is no stronger need in children than the need for a fathers protection. The most important thing a father can do for his children is to love their mother. My son keep your fathers commands. Don’t forget your mother’s teachings. Proverbs 6:20 And He shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers. Malachi 4:6 Let a child see, through your example that God can use us in spite of, or perhaps because of, our failures. A girl’s father is the first man in her life and probably the most influential. David Jeremiah For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. John 3:16
Searcher, Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Hey, I'm really so very glad that you are back! We've missed ya! Oh wow, Searcher, can I EVER relate to your above post. Of course you know my big hang up was contradictions and how could a loving God do so many things like the flood etc... I mean..those acts just didn't seem all that loving to me. Well, you know a bit about how I followed the "Spirit of Truth"...and how this spirit taught me that Jesus was not the son of God. That Jesus started out as a good teacher and got off track due to greed ..etc... and you know I bought it all hook line and sinker! I had believed it sooooooo STRONGLY that my intent was to expose Jesus Christ as nothing but a fraud. To open the eyes of the lost..that being those that believed that Jesus was indeed the Son of God. I believed this with all my heart. This Spirit of Truth presented itself in a loving manner...teaching peace..love...etc... thing is... I had developed such a hate for Jesus it wasn't even funny. I can't explain it...it was just there. Every time I'd read anything on this board regarding how great Jesus was..my blood just began to boil. It is more than obvious that the Spirit of Truth and Jesus were at opposite ends. What type of spirit could present love and peace..yet preach such disdain against another? I mean..this is something that I have asked myself recently. Anyway, to make a very long story short... being as sincere as I can be... God met me and we had a rap session one on one. I can't begin to describe to you how REAL..just how very REAL and ALIVE God became to me. I had some hard questions that I NEEDED answers to. All I can say is that all my doubts, confusion, and fears were lifted. In turn God introduced me to a very alive and real Jesus...not the one that I had pictured in my mind. I do not claim to know the answers as why those things happened like they did in the Old Testament...and yes, I have read it. All the more reason that I had thought, huh...no way I'd ever want to be hooked up with a God that could be like that...for this is not love. Well, Searcher, although I do not have those answers...I do know in my very heart that God is real and that Jesus is real and is the Son of God. I may not understand it all...but my personal relationship with the King of kings and the Lord of lords is growing. I have a new set of eyes that are not the ones that I use to see things with. My heart has changed..well..still is. I can testify that my personal experience with the Lord is not something I was expecting. I mean...I've done a 180 degree turn. I thought I knew love, peace, and joy from the "spirit of truth"... but, I did not. I ..ok, I know I'm rambling and maybe not making much sense at all. I have a long way to go to reach any kind of maturity in God...I KNOW this..believe me...I know Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! But, it's so real. The way I look at it...God/Jesus is eternity and thus, the Word is...which means I'll forever be learning many things..which in my book is kind of cool. I guess for me it's kind of like this. I can read all about someone I want. I may gain a bit of insight as to what I think this person is like...but, meeting this person and having heart to heart talks are sooooooooooooo very different. It is because of these heart to heart talks that I have begun to know that God and Jesus are not the big, bad, mean dudes I've thought them to be. I've been totally dumbfounded by learning what they are like in a personal way. It has taken me back sooooooooo much....the more I grow to know them...the more I think ...how wrong I have been. Ugh! Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! I know that I'm rambling... I just wanted to say...I understand how you feel...for I was there myself not very long ago...and, if you really would like to know what God/Jesus is like...it's not impossible...They can meet you one on one..just like they did with me. I hope that I have not offended you by anything that I've said...those are not my intentions. Just wanted to share a bit with you. Take care!!! Flash
Amen Flash Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Its a tricky thing to try and explain hey? You know in your own heart and understand in your own way that God is not a big meanie but at the same time you can see why people might think He is. I mean I would to if I haden't asked for God to show me the real truth, to give me an understanding that went beyond just words on a page, because He goes beyond just words on a page. His character, His nature, that which He truly is goes beyond anything we could ever describe or contain in words. Well that's my ramble time used up. Flash, what you wrote made my heart leap for joy within me. It has been a great blessing to see you grow and lean on Him. Allcare Tony [This message has been edited by Tony H2o (edited June 13, 2000).]
Tony, Yeah, no kidding..it is hard to put into words just what I know in my heart to be true. I think you hit the nail right on the head when you said, "I mean I would to if I haden't asked for God to show me the real truth, to give me an understanding that went beyond just words on a page, because He goes beyond just words on a page. His character, His nature, that which He truly is goes beyond anything we could ever describe or contain in words." I mean..that's it!!! That IS it!!!! Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Tony, I am very happy that God has used you! You have been a great friend and a great blessing to me. Not only in helping me via e-mail..but, reading some of the things you have written on this very board has been a total encouragment to keep getting closer to the Lord. Thank you for sharing with all of us. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Take care!!! Flash
I am saddened to know that you see Jehovah in this light, and yes I can see why you have this impression. On the surface it can appear somewhat that way, but when you dig deeper and explore the motivation, the reasons and the circumstances behind the words the picture changes. Again I find myself returning to the example of a fathers protection, protection that called for action and strong action on occasion as was evidenced in the OT. I take it back to Abraham who was the father of the nation of Israel, he became their father through a covenant agreement with God. He became their father through faith in Gods promise against seemingly impossible circumstances, in a time when the law of the land was that each man did what was right in his own sight. Abraham trusted God and looked to God in faith for instruction and for the fulfilment of the promise and covenant and it was accounted to him as righteousness. Thus the promise was fulfilled and Abrahams descendants became the Hebrew people Israel. God’s covenant extended to Abrahams descendants as God’s chosen people, as a nation of people in the world who would stand according to the covenant and declare to all earths inhabitants that God ruled supreme. Now as history has shown us and as the bible teaches God provided for these people above and beyond the surrounding nations all based on the faith and trust of one man, Abraham. God became to this nation and surrounding nations a blessing and a curse. To Israel when they abided in the covenant of love and law of God, then they remained under Gods protection and blessing, God was their sword and shield. He was their sole provider and they were to dwell in the faith of father Abraham’s covenant with God almighty. He was their blessing, but if they stepped outside of the covenant, if they broke the bond then God moved to show them the error of their ways. He was always patient, time and again sending prophets and watchmen to warn Israel to return to God or the destruction that faced them would be the work of their own disobedience. Time and again calling Israel His Son, His chosen back to Himself but like a stiff necked, strong willed mule Israel refused to listen. That is until they had fallen into the ditch they had dug and even then when they had fallen, if their hearts were true the Lord God would place into motion events that would bring them back to the place He had called them. That place being His called and chosen to show the earth the blessing of trusting in Him. To those that sought to utterly destroy His child He, God was considered a curse. He was considered such because try as they may, and regardless of Israel’s relationship with their God, God always rescued Israel from nations that sought to exterminate them. God protected His child just as we would protect our own, God disciplined His child just as we should discipline our own. God stood against anything that would rise up to destroy His child Israel just as we would do the same for our children. God saw the unseen dangers they faced and trough grace established a law of protection until His perfect plan could be completed with the framework of time in which mankind exists. That perfect plan being a descendant from the line of David, a descendant from the house of Israel, Israel a house descended from the promise and covenant of God with Abraham. Do you see the picture? God saw things not only in the earthly realm that we judge by but also in the realm of the spirit. He saw cause and effect of disobedience, He saw the lost eternity that faced all mankind if Israel and His perfect plan of salvation were destroyed by the evil one. He saw these things and He moved at all times according to His character and nature to protect that which would become the eventual way of salvation for man kind, Jesus. There is so much more to this than meets our eyes, there are so many aspects to who God is and why He moved the way He did. There are answers to the questions regarding who the God of the OT was and is, but these answers require the one asking them to search themselves, the word and lean not on their own superficial understanding but to humble ourselves and be ready to hear what God says. Searcher, Mooncat ,anyone and everyone I only have time to show a glimpse, to give a flavour of what is truly happening and what truly happened. Not only the things we see with our eye but the unseen things that happen in the heavens. So where am I going with this? I think I started off trying to address the who and why of Jehovah, the God depicted in the OT. I’ve probably made a shambles of what I was trying to get across, sorry if its unclear. Just ask if there are any questions. Regarding throwing out the OT, well people may say this because they have not seen what God is trying to show. They have not understood that Jesus came to fulfil it, they have not known that heaven and earth will pass away before one letter become redundant. It can’t become redundant because our understanding of what God is, of who God is, of who Jesus is, of why He came, of why He died, of the plan of salvation. Of all this and more would be incomplete without it. Allcare Tony H2o Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
Flash, Thanks for your comments my friend. If God has been able to use me to speak to people who He really is then it is I who am blessed. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
Searcher, I totally hear what you're saying on the God worship thing. I guess I'm fortunate in that I have a father I love dearly, and never had the patriarical religions crammed down my throat, so I feel entirely comfortable with the pagan male God. The Green Man is my favorite of all the Pagan symbols, in fact! I possibly relate better to a female Goddess, just due to the simple fact that I am female, but I also am quite fond of many of the male images. The Green Man all made of twined vines and leaves, Lusty party-animal Pan, Father Sky floating above, Father Sun wrapping us in warmth, the wild Horned God with his forests and stags... Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! I remember as a young teen thinking that Thor must be a hottie, all buff and manly. LOL!! I know sometimes all the heavy Goddess-orientated stuff makes my husband feel a little left out, and I hate to have any man feeling like this isn't for him. Probably similar to what a lot of these women felt in these male-oriented faiths - "If this is theirs, where's mine?". It makes him feel like there's all these "woman secrets" that he can never know, and I think that's a pile of hooey. Yah, there are things about women that are different than men, but men have their own special "secrets" too, and I don't see them getting tended to very much. I think if I were to be creating a coven of my own, I would want it to be 50/50 male & female. General rituals & worship to be co-ed, but occasionally for certain things, like perhaps healing rituals, or some 'group bonding'-oriented rites, I would encourage a division of the men & women. This is simply because a lot of men and women don't feel like they can entirely cut loose in front of members of the opposite sex. I also think there ARE different energies in all male or all female groups - that I know from first hand (the female side of it, anyway). But I think a balance ought to be struck, almost NEEDS to be struck, that's pretty much an integral part to my pagan practices - seeking balance with the world, with people around me, with my own body, in my own mind, etc. One might say this is the appeal of paganism to me in the first place, I wish to lead a fully balanced life. Magick vs. mundane, male vs. female, etherial vs. tangible...bring it all on, baby!! (Preferrably in equal amounts, LOL!) Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
Flash, You know this already I'm sure, but I just wanted to say that I'm so happy I could just jump right out of my skin. Dag gone, you were a tough nut to crack little girl! Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! MC and Searcher, I hear ya, I hear ya. The OT laws are astoundingly severe are they not? I felt the same way myself for a long time, and I still do think that they are severe, it's just that now I have a better understanding of why. And that is that the consequence of sin is death. Now THAT is severe right? Well, it's also reality. Remember how I said that I think of these spiritual laws in the same way that I think of natural and physical laws? That they are a "given", and that's just the way it is, because that's the way God made them to be? Well, take a look around at the absolute perfection that is within our physical and natural laws. These laws seem to be the ones that you pay more attention to or worship rather than the spiritual laws. And though the consequence of breaking said laws is severe, all that means to me is that THIS STUFF IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING TO GET AN UNDERSTANDING OF IN OUR ENTIRE LIVES. It means to me that what God did for us, to sacrifice His Son to pay for our sin, is all that much more gracious and loving and forgiving. And if you think about it, what an absolute astoundingly perfect way He has provided for us to learn the difference between good and evil and right and wrong. I mean, if there were no consequences of sin, then how in the world would we ever know the difference? Let me use the example that I've used before, regarding the verse that my brother thought was so severe and bizzare. Something like "when with your wife, let not one drop of semen touch the ground". Now, I must admit, you know I know how messy sex can get, so you ask yourself, what's the big deal if you get a little on the sheet? Doesn't make sense right? All this law is trying to teach us is that if you're going to have sex with a woman, then have the right intent about it, and be willing to deal with the biological and emotional and spiritual ramifications of it. Now then, take a look around in the world and let's try to see if we can compare it to our reality, and apply the law. It seems to me, and through personal experience I admit, that not too many people nowadays are willing to own up to any responsibility regarding sex whatsoever. It's like it's been reduced down to some self-gratifying biological act like taking a shit or something. Think about ALL of the time and money and research that has gone into circumventing God's natural laws, in an effort to avoid the responsibility for one's actions. And I had to ask myself...does this all make any sense? I mean, nowadays, people argue that sex isn't even supposed to be about having children, it's supposed to be about affection or love or maybe even less than that. The only people nowadays that even have kids it seems are the ones who just don't give a shit, and are trying to collect a little extra welfare, and the people who do give a shit, are to afraid to have any!!!!!????? What a paradox. And look around...what are the effects of all of this law circumvention? Let's take a look at our kids nowadays. Do I even have to say it? What does it do when a parent takes sex and it's reprocussions lightly? What does it do when a child doesn't know who it's daddy is? What does it say to a child when they look around at us adults and watch us f'ing around like nothing matters? What exactly do these kids have to look forward to? What does it do to their self-worth? WHAT THE HELL ARE WE DOING????? And when you think about how EASY and PERFECT God made things to be for us. Are we retarded or what??????? All He ever wanted for us is to love each other, to make a committment and to be good parents and to take this seriously. So what's the problem? Why is this so damn hard for us (me included for sure)? Why can't we all just have the right intentions, fall in love, get married, f like bunnies, and love and take care of our kids? And the answer issssssssss..................... SIN. Get it? ------------------ You may think I'm a nut, but I'm fastened to the strongest bolt in the universe. [This message has been edited by Lori (edited June 13, 2000).] [This message has been edited by Lori (edited June 13, 2000).] [This message has been edited by Lori (edited June 13, 2000).] [This message has been edited by Lori (edited June 13, 2000).]
How could you be so blind as to think that God is a human, or even a being at all. From what I see, people's definition of a being is someone who thinks and feels and has emotions. If God is pure, then God should be beyond all of that. If God is immortal, God should not be brought down and painted with words of emotion and feeling and things one would find in reality. I find that the human species is nothing more than an ignorant race that tries to make everything moulded into their own image. Is it that God moulded us in His image, or is it that we are trying to mould this being into our own image. It may say this and that in the bible, but that does not necessarily mean that its right. Swears, Curses, and Profanity: they are mere words with simple meanings. The difference separating them is that they are branded by society as words with negative uses. Fighting, War, Killing, and Death: all things you find everywhere. People kill animals for food which is a purpose which is survival. People accept that as something that is right and civil, yet they see the same thing done to members of their own species and call it barberic. People kill bugs and insects without thought, but when it happens to people just like yourselves, then they are automatically sinners who are set on a one-way trip to hell. All these things were created by the God who in the beginning created the Universe, so how are we all different from eachother? If there are alien races in the universe that have evolved beyond our level, what makes us so superior over all things that God must think, feel, and have emotion? Is it because we were created from God, or is this nothing more than a man's ultimate form of Ignorance?; For Man to believe that God is just like one of them because they are uncomfortable and would be unable to handle God being anything else, something complex and way beyond comprehension or understanding to a point where it would be so unfamiliar to them that they would be afraid of it, and eventually come to loath and hate it. It seems funny how all of these things come together as an unexpected coincidence. Is the bible a book of spirituality, or a book of fundamental basics for society. Is the hell that we define as a spiritual realm the eternal damnation we claim it to be or nothing more than a Bible's warning against the extremely horrible effects that guilt can bring to someone. [This message has been edited by Xeno (edited June 13, 2000).]
Flash, Thanks for the warm welcome! I've missed all of you, too! Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! I'm glad you don't feel such burning hatred anymore, and I'm sure you must feel better about it too. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! This has never been my feeling - I try not to have such negative feelings toward any being (because hate is such a self-destructive emotion), and I certainly never saw Jesus as someone to hate. But I've always been very cautious where he is concerned - mostly because Jehovah was supposed to be his dad, and I have some real questions in my mind about who this Jehovah guy really was, and therefore what Jesus's true mission was. There are so many instances in the Old Testament where Jehovah proved himself to be an extremely hateful character, and certainly not worthy of my love or respect or trust or worship. Jesus always seemed to be much kinder and gentler, more loving, honest and wise, but still...? There's something that doesn't quite add up there in my mind. I'm not that easily offended! Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! I must say I am surprised, though! I hope that I have not offended you - you know that's not my intention. But I have to be up front about what I think and feel on this subject, and after all - isn't that why we're all here? Take care, Flash. ------------------ www.indigenousrocks.com
MoonCat, I think that makes all the difference in the world! You're very fortunate in this sense - I know it can't be any healthier spiritually to eliminate the male half of divinity than it would be to eliminate half of your brain! And don't get me wrong about guys - I love 'em!! But right now I guess I feel the need for some gentle nurturing, and I'm a bit shell-shocked by the patriarchal religions that have been crammed down my throat my whole life. I am conscientiously trying to change my focus to include the God, so I'm sure that this lopsidedness will even out in time. ------------------ www.indigenousrocks.com
Tony, Thanks for the quotes - very inspiring. I'm sorry that I shared what I did about my father - I guess I must have been feeling kind of down at the time, because I don't normally do that. I do try to give him the benefit of the doubt, because he's only human and I don't really think he knew any better because of his own life circumstances. He never beat me, and seldom even spanked me - that wasn't really his way. It could have been so much worse and I really should be thankful that it wasn't. There's been so much good in my life to make up for it that I would be crazy to sit here and dwell on the negative stuff - so no more of that!! Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! ------------------ www.indigenousrocks.com
Searcher, "But right now I guess I feel the need for some gentle nurturing, and I'm a bit shell-shocked by the patriarchal religions that have been crammed down my throat my whole life" I hear that! I wouldn't worry about it or anything, I'm sure when it's right, the Green Man or some variation thereof will start to feel welcoming to you. I'm sure he can wait until you're ready to meet him. I see him as usually a rather gentle, loving guy, but like any father, ready to fight for his children if we need him. Ditto for the Goddess too. I don't see her as a pansy-ass little girl in a field of flowers, well, not all the time. Only when she wants to be. Otherwise, I imagine she has a good dollop of warrior in her too, what mother doesn't?? Each person is different, so just naturally each person will feel comfortable with a different level or balance in their worship, and I don't see anything wrong with that. I am mainly talking about how exclusive it can be, how alienating towards men it sometimes seems to get in some of these groups. I just am ...concerned, I guess... that some pagan folk seem to be just going too overboard the "other way" and becoming as rigid and inflexible in their matriarical belief as other faiths are in their patriarical beliefs, and I just can't see that as a good thing. Covens that only allow women to join, for example. I just don't think that's what Momma Nature had in mind for us. I think They want us to feel comfortable enough with eachother that we can love and share and not worry about being hurt by eachother. "In perfect love, in perfect trust" should apply to fellow human as well as our beloved Couple. Unfortunately it doesn't work out like that most of the time, but sometimes it can. I think you & your hubby are like that, from how you talk about him all the time. I can tell you just adore him. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! As I adore mine! I can really see the Green Man inside my hubby sometimes. Especially when we're out in nature, and he stops to point out a bird or something...that look on his face as he enjoys the natural beauty of the earth...ah, the Green Man is definitely alive in him. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! LOL!! I just realized, we've really hijacked this thread, haven't we?! Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Xeno, Your comments are interesting. How much do you know about Pagan gods? Do you know that a lot of Pagans don't see the God and Goddess as a 'being', but more like a natural force? Have you seen my posts on that topic elsewhere around here? (Sorry, I can never remember where I've posted something or I'd direct you to them) I would be happy to discuss it with you though, if you're interested. Yes, it's true that life exists at the expense of other life. It's an inescapable truth that to live, we must kill. The best we can hope to do is to kill only when it's necessary, and then to take that life from that other being with as much respect and as little pain as possible. Personally, I do not eat animals. If I had my druthers, I'd only eat plant life I had grown and harvested myself, I see eating as a sacred rite all of it's own (or at least it should be, I must admit there's nothing too sacred about a Taco Bell) and would much prefer to eat plants I had tended with my own hands and grown in my own soil. I feel that such a tangible connection to life (growing, harvesting, and then preparing & eating your own food) is a marvelous benefit, and can only make you closer to the Divine. Unfortunately, my present life doesn't allow for such things, mainly because I don't have garden space. In a year or so, I hope to move to a house of my own, with room for a sacred garden for me to frolic with the Gods in. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Also as a Pagan, I believe even the creepiest spider has a spirit and soul and right to live it's natural life. I can't bring myself to squish the little buggers, even though they give me major willies. I have to muster the courage to pick them up somehow, then I put them outside and ask them politely not to come back inside. Somehow, they don't listen, but I just keep doing it anyhow. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Alien life...well, I am assuming it exists though I have no proof for it. I believe that if they do exist, they are just as much children of the Gods as we are. Just residing on a different planet.
Xeno, I'm not sure who that last post was directed at, but I for one do NOT think that God is human. When I said that He wasn't an ET, I meant that He's not an alien like the aliens that most of us refer to. Like some being that just happens to be more evolutionarily advanced than we humans, and just happened to evolve on some other planet. HE'S MUCH MORE THAN THAT. I do not claim to understand what the alpha and omega really are; it's beyond me for sure. But I do know, that He's never ever going to land on somebody's front lawn in a spaceship and pop out and say "Surprise! I'm your creator!". Do you get what I mean? ------------------ You may think I'm a nut, but I'm fastened to the strongest bolt in the universe.
Searcher, Yikes, Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! , I hope you did not think that I was implying that you held any hate toward Jesus or God. Believe me...I wasn't. I never saw you in that light. I was just explaining my side of the mountain. Yes, I do feel better that all that hate is out and gone...thank you Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! I know EXACTLY what you mean, Searcher. I really do. I only wish I could explain what I feel and know in a way you could understand or that it could help... give me some time...it might come yet. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! I'm glad you didn't take what I shared the wrong way.. *whew* Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Yeah, well, I was very surprised myself...still am LOL And no way was I offended... LOL So we are past that now..right? Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! YES, That is why we are all here. Searcher, I wouldn't want you to be anything other than up front..and I am glad you are. I'd much rather hear you say what is in your heart than something that isn't. Thank you for your honesty. Have a great day! Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
MC, ROFLOL!!!!!!!!!!! That was GREAT! LOL I can just imagine you doing this...that's too cute!!!!!! Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
Flash, LOL, my hubby thought it was cute too, until I insisted he do the same. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! I guess it IS a lot easier just to squish 'em, but I hated it when he did that. He's such a great guy, he patiently captures them for me now and shoo's them out the back door. On the plus side, I think there are less flies in my backyard now! Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! See, karma does work!! LOL!
MC, hahaha... Your husband must really love you! That's good news to hear! Yeah, Karma does seem to work...LOL Maybe I should try that Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
