A slice of Judaism.

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  1. TheFrogger Banned Valued Senior Member

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    Hello.

    Judaism is extinct. It is gone! However it remains the writings endure: it may be gone but it did exist at sometime, somewhere. Had it not existed we would be without evidence. We know it exists. It remains, perseveres, but forever? Is there such a thing as eternal, Forever?
     
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  3. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Somebody had better tells the Jews.
     
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  5. C C Consular Corps - "the backbone of diplomacy" Valued Senior Member

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    I have no idea why you chose something like "Judaism" to plug into _X_ example placeholder. But I guess it's arguably irrelevant.

    Unless you want a universe with no more substantive / prolonged existence than what something far, far less than what even an attosecond provides... Then the four dimensional tangibility and structural regulation which "eternal" permits would be preferable to a world constantly being replaced. While somehow magically retaining lawful-like consistency / coherence with the extinct versions that preceded it and with those yet to be.

    The changes with the shortest duration are those at the microphysical level, not the millisecond long "giants" we consciously discriminate at our turtle-like scale. The former would be setting what a relativism-uncompromised global "now" would actually be in the commonsense religion of "presentism", whereby the past and future are proclaimed to not exist.

    Again, a mere unit of cognition (and the corresponding neural processing underlying it) will not fit into the kind of ludicrously "tiny" instant defined by events at the sub-atomic stratum. A "snapshot" of consciousness has to extend over a still-existing "many" which constitutes its (irregular) millisecond spanning unit.
     
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  7. TheFrogger Banned Valued Senior Member

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    But if a nano measurement of time is too short how is it possible to create eternality? Does forever exist? Can it be done?
     
  8. C C Consular Corps - "the backbone of diplomacy" Valued Senior Member

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    It's would be too "short" for a millisecond interval of human awareness to "fit" into (that is dependent on a stretch of neural processing). Which would have nothing to do with a physical or ontological version of those "durations" being figuratively conjoined together to constitute a four-dimensional "worm" or block for eternalism (whatever brand of hyperspatial structure and form).

    Let's go through this again with a touch more elaboration this round...

    In philosophy of time, the commonsense view of what's "going on" is called presentism. The latter declares that only the present exists (not past and future), and that this "now" is global. Which is to say, it embraces the whole universe in its moment / state without any (generic) relational funny-business intruding, whereby "now" for one set of circumstances could be in the past or future relative to another set -- thus cascading into the very thing which presentism opposes / denies: That more than "now" exists.

    However, since the smallest intervals of change transpire at the sub-atomic level, this would result in presentism's universal Now having to conform to a duration far less than an attosecond. Rather than the naive belief that the vastly longer millisecond range intervals which human consciousness discriminate are the smallest units or examples of "change" (IOW, anthropocentrism at its finest). Since what is a "moment" for our cognition won't fit into that tiny duration of presentism's global moment (it spans or rides over several milliseconds of neural activity and over countless events at the sub-atomic level), this seems to demand that a particular "now" of presentism actually co-exists with the ones supposedly extinct (past) or yet to be (future).

    Consequently, this undermines the presentism view that the whole universe is constantly replacing itself -- one version or state of it being annihilated by the next version, with consistency being magically maintained through that process. Its "now" or a special unit of time being all there is that exists can be cast off. Instead the sequence of changes we detect is more similar to the co-existing changes along a motion picture strip or the vertical stacking of frames in a flip-book (with an extra dimension added). This "eternalism" option in philosophy of time is broadly defined, so that it is up to particular theories competing within it to assert whether the "frames" or "pages" are so neatly sliced or are heavily bent and distorted into each other or that such demarcations are utterly missing (instead a smoothly continuous and integrated hypersolid or field).

    But since our conscious experiences do consist of these individual changes declaring themselves in isolation from each other (resulting in the commonsense belief that only each change exists in its turn, that only a specific "now" is real), we can take it that the whole history of our psychological life is divided into those distinct divisions of cognition. The structural and memory relationship of one instant of cognition to that which preceded it and the relationship to that which follows it in the sequence provides their order. There is no brain state corresponding to experiencing the whole lifetime at once. The very nature of experience and understanding is that it is apprehension of individual units of cognition in isolation from the rest. Consequently from that and their relational sequence, the illusion of the four dimensional framework (time) having a "flow" to itself becomes one of our everyday folk-theories of "what's going on".
     
  9. kx000 Valued Senior Member

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    Belief in life creates hope. Belief is theory, it also creates knowledge. I think you can live forever, at least though reincarnation.
     
  10. Fraggle Rocker Staff Member

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    Judaism is a religion of laws, not doctrine. Everything, even the existence of God, is fair game for argument. As for the laws, they too are fair game for argument.
     

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