I understand that like 95% of humans believe in a certain religion, but the other 5% are the truly "enlightened" people. Sorry to break it to all you believers but there is no such thing as a supreme being. It accually cracks me up that people are so willing to believe in that crap. Everything in this universe is living, no matter how you look at it, everything has its life and its death. THESE are the properties of life, then that would mean that the universe is in fact LIVING. So then, how special are a bunch of humans living on a rock in outer space and only live for approx 100+ years max! We are so humbled by are smallness in the universe that we look to religion for comfort. We look for a ficticious "supreme being" to guide us into the future, so we don't hafta be afraid of our fate! So all you people that believe in a religion are weak people and base their belief on nothing more than faith. My response to that is "HOW CAN YOU BE SO F*CKING STUPID!!!, IT IS A JOKE!" RELIGION IS A JOKE!!!
For instance: How many Christians does it take to screw in a light bulb? Two, but God only knows how they got in there to begin with. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! On the flipside, I hope you're wearing a flameproof bat-cape. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! thanx, Tiassa Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! ------------------ We are unutterably alone, essentially, especially in the things most intimate and important to us. (Ranier Maria Rilke) [This message has been edited by tiassa (edited July 20, 2000).]
Chaos, Well, that was uplifting. I'm sure you'll make lots of friends here and enlighten many who have, until now, been walking the darkened path. Thanks so much for your kind and thoughtful input. ------------------ An ye harm none, do what ye will.
Chaos, It sounds like you are very uncomfortable with your own beliefs. I hope you can soon find comfort in what ever you belive.
I msut admit I am really enjoying this site. There are some extremely thoughtful people here with very good points to make, even if I don't agree with all of them. All I can say to Chaos though is, if you want people to listen to you, use your brain a little and the God given ability for reason and logic and most of all get your head out of your butt. Not very Christian I know, but sometimes people need to be told things bluntly. Yes my beliefs are based on faith, but faith isn't some mystical blindness, it's just being certain of what we do not see. This certainty can involve as much logic and reasoning as one can handle if that is what is needed!
Yes i do know that faith sure can chain down a person. However, only until the day of your death will you really be shown what the true meaning of life is. When you die you will see that nothing happens, you simply turn into a bunch of matter. We don't have a "soul" inside us, we made up that term to help describe our self-conciousness. But in reality we have our individualness from genetics and our self-awarness comes from our complex brain. Sure go walk in your tunnel, Go see your white light. If that is what comforts you and your FAITH than so be it. But until you open your mind and bring your faith to a new level of debate, then and only then will you be able to see how your belief is laughable and without any well thought out explanation of any kind whatsoever. As for my previous informal manner of addressing this topic, it was simply made to identify how obsurd of an argument the 95% of the world has. And as for the comment about my own beliefs, I am very comfortable in my faith that someday humanity can put aside our different cultures and primitive religions of the past behind us so we can advance our species into the cosmos so we can become one with the universe, and accually put our rather pointless lives to a good cause. [This message has been edited by Chaos (edited July 21, 2000).]
Chaos, It takes a certain amount of FAITH for you to believe as you do. How is your FAITH different from anyone else's? You still believe very strongly in something there is no way of knowing - that there is no God/dess. I'm sorry that you are so chained down. It's good to see someone who is obviously so open-minded. Oh, and thanks for all the well thought out explanations. Oh really? If you are so comfortable in your own beliefs, why do you need to put down the beliefs of others so harshly? Basically you've indicated that 95% of the world is stupid, and you're one of the bright 5% who have it right. Can you say "arrogant"? Can you say "religious intolerance"? I knew you could. ------------------ An ye harm none, do what ye will.
I find it fascinating that Chaos here has all of the answers. No need to look further. They're all right here, yyyyyyup. You know, Chaos, comparing your last post in this thread to that one about astronomy being useless and pointless because our lives are useless and pointless, you don't even seem to know which side of the fence you're on. You want us to stop exploring the world around us. Then you want us to abandon faith so we can explore the world around us. People here do read more than one forum, you know. If you're trying to shock us, it isn't working. We've debated until we were blue in the face on science and religion and extraterrestrials. You aren't being shocking. You're being pathetic. I have no god. I view religion as a sort of defense mechanism to deal with the inexplicable or the truly unfathomable, such as impending death. (The survival instinct tries to deny it to the last.) This board knows that although I do not agree with the continuing need for belief in divine power, that I will respect their beliefs in such, even when I am arguing against them. Try stepping back for a moment and presenting your thoughts and ideas in a calm and civlized manner. There's probably a good brain hidden behind the bombastic tirade, and we'd all like to see it since you went to the trouble to bring it here. There's no need to jump and shout. We can see and hear you fine. ------------------ I may not agree with what you have to say, but I will fight, kill, and die for your right to say it.
Yes, it must be extremely humbling to be included in this fifth percentile of spiritual enlightenment. You know, when I find myself in a situation in which my opinion conflicts with everyone elses, my initial reaction is to question myself, not everyone else. It only seems reasonable. Were you aware Chaos, that humility is required to even get religion? But I must say that you are right in your beliefs, at least in regards to yourself. In the most basic sense, the following is true regarding one's spirituality....that whatever you believe will happen in the afterlife is what will happen to you. If you believe that you will see the light, you will, if you don't believe there is a light, then you won't. If you don't believe that you have a soul...if you don't recognize it...then it will die. If you do recognize it, then it will be saved. You will seal your own fate with your faith or lack thereof. It's all up to you. It's the meaning of life you know? Figuring this all out. What else is more important? Nothing, regardless of what you believe. It's too important not to question. You aren't questioning anything. That is a sure sign to me that you are not an intelligent person. I'm sorry, I know that sounds harsh, but intelligent people never stop questioning. Particularly with this topic. If you think for one second that you and your five percent hold the key to the questions of the universe, then my only possible response is to scoff. I mean, come on. How old are you by the way, 19? People live their entire lives without finding the answers, what makes you think you're so special? What makes you think that you're any smarter or better than 95% of the people on this planet? Are you f'ing kidding me? One of these days buddy, God is going to introduce you to the concept of humility, and get ready cause He's gonna knock you on your ass, and it's gonna hurt. When it happens you'll have a choice...either harden your heart even more, and become even more of a miserable asshole, or you'll humble yourself, and get some religion. I hope you choose the latter. Good luck! ------------------ You may think I'm a nut, but I'm fastened to the strongest bolt in the universe.
Sorry Lori but what evidence do you have that suggests this is true? You won't know this is true until the day you die. I feel sorry for you because your blind faith has consumed you brain and you are failing to express yourself free from oppressed thoughts. I'm not trying to change anyone's mind here, I am simply telling you what the facts are. I can understand that some of you are so set on your beliefs that you refuse to give THE TRUTH a good look. So I feel sorry for you and the other 95% of the world. [This message has been edited by Chaos (edited July 21, 2000).]
You guys! Can't you see it? Chaos IS god! He knows what will happen to us after we die, isn't that cool? Gosh, golly darn, Chaos, where's your temple? I gots me some rose oil to annoint your doorstep with. I sure wish I was as all-knowing and wise as Chaos is! I wish I had all the answers beyond the shadow of a doubt, so *I* could go around telling everyone else how stupid and unenlightened they are! Sigh. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Oh well, Lori, I think you're right - he's gonna feel the smackdown sooner or later, then we'll just have to debate whether it was karma or God that was the power behind the smack. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! He's tempting the fates, and those are 3 tricky ladies to be testing like that! Blessings everyone!
Chaos: "When you die you will see that nothing happens, you simply turn into a bunch of matter. We don't have a "soul" inside us, we made up that term to help describe our self-conciousness. But in reality we have our individualness from genetics and our self-awarness comes from our complex brain." (And now, if I may paraphrase: ) Sorry Chaos, but what evidence do you have that suggests this is true? You won't know this is true until the day you die. I feel sorry for you because your blind faith has consumed you brain and you are failing to express yourself free from oppressed thoughts. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
That has already been determined by science, they know where in the brain we get our awareness from. I doubt when they open up your brain they'll spot your spirit... hahaha
Hey All ~ Chaos, let me pose a question to you. What is wrong with faith? I too believe as you do. Not in one all powerful omnipotent being who will smite you if you blink wrong at it. Not all the answers in life is "because it's 'God's will'". That's a cop-out if I ever heard one. But, I do have faith. Faith in the fact that the sun will rise tomorrow, even though I might not be around to see it. Faith that humankind will somehow pull itself out of this self-destructive course that we have set for ourselves. Faith that there will be a cold beer in the 'fridge when I get home Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!. Anyway you understand where I'm going with this, I hope. I thinks it's foolish to believe in one all encompassing powerful being that's the reason for why we're here and what we've accomplished. I do believe in humankind, with it's unquenching thirst for knowledge. The geniuses that dared. The risk-takers that tried. That is the reason we are where we are today. And I believe that we will carry on in the same fashion. So, once again I pose the question 'what is wrong with faith?' I'm rambling. Everyone, a great weekend! PEACE!! Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! H
Chaos, "That has already been determined by science, they know where in the brain we get our awareness from. I doubt when they open up your brain they'll spot your spirit... hahaha" Um, so you are saying when they split open a brain they can actually see awareness? You also seem to be focusing primarily on Christianity and similar faiths...there are religions out there based on multiple Gods and Goddesses that are firmly rooted in the natural laws of our universe. I do believe the universe is alive, and no, I don't think mankind is the "special" species. I don't even believe the Divine is a "being" in the way we understand "beings" to be. What say you to the concept of the Divine being the totality of all life in the universe? That the Divine is a force present in this universe, as it is now, much like light and gravity? Faith is a tool. Do you think people are stupid and foolish for using a hammer to drive a nail rather than their bare hands? Do you think people foolish to wear shoes? Faith is the understanding humans create between themselves and the Divine that we cannot directly observe. Faith can be used to bring light and love to a person's life, or it can be used to bring darkness and hate. Like a hammer, it depends on the wielder if it is used to create or destroy. But just because you don't like to use hammers is not a reason to insult those that do; perhaps YOU are the fool for pounding your fists bloody against that nail instead of picking up the tool designed to do that job.
Chaos I find you just as abnoxious as the Bible thumpers who push their crap in your face. Who cares what someone believes or doesn't believer if they're not in your face with it. Chill out. It makes life more pleasant for you and thoes around you, and realize most of us don't give a shit what you believe or not, or if you approve of our beliefs.
Chaos-Because science has not yet been able to prove that a soul exists by no means indicates that they have proven that it doesn't.
Chaos, I abhor the fact that you have accused me of having blind faith. This is what I mean about you...you assume that you know things that you don't know. Why? Don't you understand that you're denying yourself opportunity to learn? Don't do that! Um, are you a racist too by chance? Same mentality. It's a shame is all. Listen, the principle of faith is pretty simple, and it jives with your science and your philosophy and even other religions and non-religious spiritual or enlightenment practices, in that what you believe to be true becomes your reality. Our thoughts drive our reality. Our intentions manifest into our reality. There is no action without thought. It's just the way it works, and why shouldn't it? It makes perfect sense. In order to know God you have to believe He exists. Isn't that just logical? I'm sorry, but I fail to see the big mystery in this. You have a choice...you've made it...what's the problem? Don't get pissy with us just because we want to know God, and so we do, and so we will eternally. You're missing out dude! Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Honestly...what's your beef? You don't want a soul, you don't want a God...even if you knew there were one, you probably wouldn't want to follow His way anyway. You don't want to live an afterlife. FINE, YOU WON'T THEN. You should be happy. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! ------------------ You may think I'm a nut, but I'm fastened to the strongest bolt in the universe.
