If God Doesn't Exist...

For one moment can you guys pretend that god doesn't exist but humans don't know that yet. Where then would religion have come from?

If some humans were told that god didn't exist, how would they go about telling this to the other people? Shouldn't the other people know the truth? Or should they be left alone to worship a god that doesn't exist?

Remember this is a What If question...


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So much i've done and have yet to try
But why am I here just waiting to die?
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I've given nothing, for what I recieved
These days are more meaningful than I believed

 

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Chaos,

But if any kind of God didn't exist, how would we know? WHO would tell us? And how would we be convinced??

I think anyone trying to tell Lori (just as an example) that God doesn't exist is about the same as someone trying to tell you that God DOES exist. See what I mean? There ARE people right now (like you) who believe God doesn't exist. How would YOU go about telling people there was no God, how would you convince anyone??

I think if God didn't exist things would be about the same. What would be the point in convincing people of the "Truth"? If there is no God, there surely isn't any harm in worshipping him, especially if that worship improves the quality of people's lives, motivates them to help others, etc.

 

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Chaos,

Um...don't you think that you are the one who should be answering these hypothetical questions, you know, since you're the one who hypothetically doesn't believe in God? It's a damn good question, so answer it yourself...if God doesn't exist, then where did all of this "religion" come from? How do you prove that God doesn't exist? After all, if you could do that, you could shut me up huh?

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You know, that's actually how I got religion, or how I started thinking about it anyway. I decided that even though my education and partying and money grubbing and sexual escapades were entertaining and all, that the question of whether God was for real or not was too important not to try to figure out. So I figured, if I say that there is no God, then I would have to claim to know more than every single religious person of any faith out there that every existed. You know, you think about how many people have absolutely dedicated their lives to their respective faiths. Inside and outside of organized religions even. To claim that you know better than the majority of the human beings that have ever walked this earth is quite a stretch, don't you think? Do you really even think that you understand most of the major religions well enough to even make a judgement call on it? How much time have you really put into this? Put in the time. But remember what I said....have some humility...have an OPEN mind...be sincere. Think about it...what are the odds of you having the answers to the questions of the universe? Nil, that's what. So let go of your ego, and seek the truth.

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Okay I will answer it, but if you guys would sit down and hypothetically think this out you would come to the same conclusion as me.

We created religion. Why? We needed a basis for truth and moral character. How would we go about changing beliefs? Science.

Think about science's impact on religion. Science can't "reinforce" your beliefs in god when it completely contradicts your religion.

If you disagree with my hypothetical response, then answer my question hypothetically for yourself! Doing so won't hurt your faith will it?

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Days

Sat down to think about my life passin by
So much i've done and have yet to try
But why am I here just waiting to die?
I can't complain about what lifes thrown my way
I'm thankful to be in this moment today
I've given nothing, for what I recieved
These days are more meaningful than I believed

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Chaos,

"Think about science's impact on religion. Science can't "reinforce" your beliefs in god when it completely contradicts your religion."

Hm, guess I'm just lucky then that science doesn't contradict MY religion. Fancy that.

 

Science doesn't contradict my faith either...I have no idea what he's referring to. Chaos, what are you referring to exactly? As I see it, science tells you how, and faith tells you why. They are not mutually exclusive. I fail to see where you're getting this perspective. Wouldn't you have to admit that you don't know enough about faith or any religion of any kind to even know if scientific information contradicts it or not??????? Well, as far as Christianity goes and Jesus and the Bible, it all jives, so I don't know what you're talking about.

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You may think I'm a nut, but I'm fastened to the strongest bolt in the universe.

 

Nor is faith mutually exclusive to religion either, Lori. I am not religious, but have faith. Not in a omnipotent entity, but in the world. In my humble opinion, there isn't one all powerful being, but I believe there are advanced races (there's them pesky aliens again) which could have been mistaken as gods two millenia past.
I guess what I am trying to say is that you can have one without the other.

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If science doesn't contradict your religion then what does? If god isn't real then there must be a point when your faith can be proven wrong.

Lets say I had faith that we will discover an alien race somewhere in space. Will we have to travel to every planet in the universe to prove it wrong? Or can we prove aliens don't exist through science? Basically your saying that faith in god can't be disproven unless we can put a collar on god?

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Days

Sat down to think about my life passin by
So much i've done and have yet to try
But why am I here just waiting to die?
I can't complain about what lifes thrown my way
I'm thankful to be in this moment today
I've given nothing, for what I recieved
These days are more meaningful than I believed

 

Well, different religions contradict eachother, so perhaps one God could disprove another...

Otherwise, no, I don't think there is a way to disprove God.

 

My God can kick your Gods ass

 

Why does it have to be a god, per se? If you need something tangible, why not a tree, or a beer bottle ( and for me it's usually the porcelin god after worshipping a few to many beer deities

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)or anything that will satisfy your particular idea of a god like idol.
It's not the material, it's the heart and mind and above all the belief (faith if you will) That's what matters.
Chaos, do you mean to tell all of us here on this forum that there is nothing that you believe in?

 

Chaos,

Let's say that my God is real, if so then there isn't a point where my faith can be proven wrong. There are points where doubt can be injected in, but that's about the weakest point, my own humanity.

I'm very interested in what your "christian" family is like though if you can't accept what you've grown up with. What "lenses" are you looking through?

Keep smiling kid!

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Prove it!

 

Chaos,

To answer your question...there is nothing that is known to be true, or proven, that contradicts my faith. As a matter of fact, the opposite is true...that everything that is known or proven, supports my faith. Hence, my faith.

Heathen,

Black & tan's rule. Don't ya think?

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If there is no way to disprove god, then why are we here in a religious debate forum?

Lori, so basically what your saying is all people who believe in god go to the right, everyone else go to the left.

Whats the point of debate if we've already taken sides, and both sides have nothing against each other... but the "lack" of proof.

I have proof against religion and god which you guys wont' take into consideration because your so damn fat headed. Listen to me this time:

We created religion because we needed a basis of truth and moral character. When you take religious diversity and then look at the fact that religions have died in the past. That is enough evidence to suggest that previous gods were false, therefore the current god(s) are false.

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Days

Sat down to think about my life passin by
So much i've done and have yet to try
But why am I here just waiting to die?
I can't complain about what lifes thrown my way
I'm thankful to be in this moment today
I've given nothing, for what I recieved
These days are more meaningful than I believed

 

If there is no way to disprove god, then why are we here in a religious debate forum?

Lori, so basically what your saying is all people who believe in god go to the right, everyone else go to the left.

Whats the point of debate if we've already taken sides, and both sides have nothing against each other... but the "lack" of proof.

I have proof against religion and god which you guys wont' take into consideration because your so damn fat headed. Listen to me this time:

We created religion because we needed a basis of truth and moral character. When you take religious diversity and then look at the fact that religions have died in the past. That is enough evidence to suggest that previous gods were false, therefore the current god(s) are false.

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Days

Sat down to think about my life passin by
So much i've done and have yet to try
But why am I here just waiting to die?
I can't complain about what lifes thrown my way
I'm thankful to be in this moment today
I've given nothing, for what I recieved
These days are more meaningful than I believed

 

Lori ~
I'm a big fan of the Black & Tan. Try it with Guiness and Boddingtons. Good stuff

 

Chaos

You seem to put as much Faith into your interpretation of what Science is saying as the people do who believe their
is a God.

Like you, I am repelled by Religion and some of the things people have done and said in the name of God. But Science never has and never will be 100 % right. Every year new things are discovered and Science rewrites itself. And Science never will be able to prove or disprove their is or isn't a God and I think it’s crazy to think it can or will.

Science has had a different effect on me as to my belief in a God.. After reading Quantum Physics and
the different theories about it I have come to the conclusion their just may be a God, Force, or whatever buzz word you
choose to use. Prior to that my view was that there was not. I can’t prove it and I have no intention of trying to prove it. It’s one of those useless arguments that can never be settled.

What seems crazy to me is the many people who come out here to debate and try to beat their belief into
other persons head and start the name calling shit if you they don’t buy into it. I’m interested in all Religions as a study, but I
don’t believe many of their views or the some peoples interpretation of the text at times and see no point in being
called a "Jesus hater" or whatever because of it. And the same holds true for the Science worshipers. Because you
don’t think science is 100 % correct doesn’t make you some hick who believes everything the Bible or some religious nut or leader.

Like some of the Bible Thumpers out here you seem to be preoccupied with what other people
believe. As I pointed out before, it shouldn’t concern you if they these people aren’t in your face with it or committing
crimes against society. And by that I mean real crimes. Not silly shit that we shouldn’t concern ourselves or waist time
worrying about to begin with. For example I could care less about prostitution. If they do it in private and don’t hurt or
force someone else into the act I could care less.

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Chaos,

This is what you call proof? Let us assume that the premise that some religions have died is true. Let us also assume for the sake of argument that all previous gods were false. Given these premises, it does not logically follow that all of the current gods are false. You are saying that some A are false and all B are false, therefore all C are also false. This is not a valid conclusion. So where is this proof you keep spouting off about?

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Chaos,

First let me start off by saying, that I am not a "beliver".

I still stand by my original statment in a differnent thread. You have NOT provided any proof. Mabye we don't take what you are saying, becuase you have nothing to back it up, and I mean zero! Just as they can not 100% prove thier god is real you can't not prove that he is not. We lack the one all important factor, the physical presence of this god, but that does not mean that he is not real. It also doesn't mean is real.

As a note it appears to me that you are missing the modern point of religon all together.


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