Do Homosexuals Need to be Healed of their Homosexuality? *A must read*

Discussion in 'Religion Archives' started by Flash, May 25, 2000.

  1. Someone7 Registered Senior Member

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    “You failed to answer the question”

    So it seems, a misunderstanding on my part. I come to the conclusion based on several things. A lack of solid evidence pointing to a genetic origin, the fact that child molestation according to some statistics is a common occurrence in the childhood of homosexuals (not saying child abuse is the cause of homosexuality, it just means that it was the likely reason why a good number (read my previous posts in this thread for the exact number) of homosexuals are homosexual, and it’s an environmental cause, which means the environment does play a role in the development of homosexuality), and the fact that there are logical psychological explanations on how homosexuality could develop based solely on how the child was raised (excluding physical or sexual abuse of course). Of course, it’s really only a hypothesis (as I have claimed throughout this thread), I can’t say for certain that homosexuality doesn’t have a genetic origin, because there is no conclusive proof for or against the claim, just not much evidence supporting the claim for a genetic origin (and truthfully, the evidence for an environmental origin isn’t that much better). As of the moment, I’m just going with the simpler explanation, because the simpler explanation is usually the correct one.

    Did that answer your question?

    “Really! From the statistics that I've been given, 10% of the people who view that banner are Homosexual. I would imagine that the banner is reaching more than just one individual homosexual. That just doesn't make sense.”

    So, 10% of the people ,on this forum, who will view the banner you posted ,on this forum, are homosexual? It doesn’t make sense when I say “the only homosexual that comes to this forum (that I know of) would be very offended”? Really, isn’t Flash the only homosexual “that comes to this forum” that would be viewing that, just like I said? I think you really misread that paragraph (though I don’t see how that is possible), try reading it again.

    “The thought doesn't appeal to me. I suppose that I'm a solid rock only on that hetero thing. Call me nasty.”

    Ok nasty, but would you be repulsed by two females kissing?
     
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  3. Bowser Namaste Valued Senior Member

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    "Did that answer your question?"

    Yes. Thank you.

    "So, 10% of the people ,on this forum, who will view the banner you posted ,on this forum, are homosexual?"

    If we are to believe the homosexual community, 10% to 20% of the world population is gay. If I use those numbers as a guide, I can safely assume that more than one homosexual will have seen that banner because I can assume that 10% to 20% of those who visit this thread are homosexual.

    'It doesn’t make sense when I say “the only homosexual that comes to this forum (that I know of) would be very offended”?'

    Hmm, my experience with this topic on this site is that my opposition to homosexuality is offensive to most heterosexuals and homosexuals here. By having an opinion, you take the risk of offending someone.

    "Really, isn’t Flash the only homosexual “that comes to this forum” that would be viewing that, just like I said? I think you really misread that paragraph (though I don’t see how that is possible), try reading it again."

    Once again, I point to the statistics which are presented by the pro-gay movement. I must assume that Flash is the only lesbian here who has the courage to voice her opinion; however, she has been silent as of late.

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    Tell you what...If Flash asks me to remove that banner from this thread and the other thread where I posted it, I will. I will even take it one step farther.

    What say you, Flash? <img src = "http://www.exosci.com/ubb/icons/icon7.gif"> I want to do the right thing. What say you?




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  5. Someone7 Registered Senior Member

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    “If we are to believe the homosexual community, 10% to 20% of the world population is gay. If I use those numbers as a guide, I can safely assume that more than one homosexual will have seen that banner because I can assume that 10% to 20% of those who visit this thread are homosexual.”

    First off, you can’t assume 10-20% of the people who will see the thread are homosexual, you don’t know the percentage of people on the net, among the percentage of people who are on the net, you don’t know how many are homosexual, you don’t know the percentage of homosexuals who enjoy debates like this, and you don’t know the percentage of people who would read this thread in its entirety to get to the point where they see that banner, and you don’t even know if there is anyone reading this thread who doesn’t post, homosexual or otherwise. Besides, the 10% figure is false. It comes from a 50 year old study, the Kinsey study I believe. More modern percentages are 1-2% (in America that is). I can safely assume, that the only homosexual who will see that banner on this forum is Flash (of course, flash by herself may possibly be 10%, are there more than 10 people at the moment who have viewed that banner, hehe).

    “Hmm, my experience with this topic on this site is that my opposition to homosexuality is offensive to most heterosexuals and homosexuals here. By having an opinion, you take the risk of offending someone.”

    Yes, having an opinion can be offensive, but posting a banner like that in this thread is most certainly offensive. I haven’t seen a comment from anyone else, but if the moderator saw this, I would assume she would probably warn you not to do it again, and possibly would edit out the banner. It isn’t debating anymore when you post something like that, which is what this forum is all about.

    “Once again, I point to the statistics which are presented by the pro-gay movement. I must assume that Flash is the only lesbian here who has the courage to voice her opinion; however, she has been silent as of late.”

    What can I say, the “pro-gay movement” is misinformed or just lying when they quote that percentage. Her silence could just mean she hasn’t read this thread, since I’ve been here, I’ve left for an extended period of time 3 times. Maybe she is just busy.
     
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  7. Bowser Namaste Valued Senior Member

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    "Yes, having an opinion can be offensive, but posting a banner like that in this thread is most certainly offensive. It isn’t debating anymore when you post something like that, which is what this forum is all about."

    Well, have you clicked that banner? There just might be some more arguments behind that link which you failed to notice. That banner offers more thoughts which just might be applicable to this debate.<img src = "http://www.exosci.com/ubb/icons/icon12.gif">

    "I haven’t seen a comment from anyone else, but if the moderator saw this, I would assume she would probably warn you not to do it again, and possibly would edit out the banner."

    I'm getting the impression that you advocate censorship. If this is the case, I can't goose-step like others. Let them do what they will.

    "It comes from a 50 year old study, the Kinsey study I believe. More modern percentages are 1-2% (in America that is)...

    What can I say, the “pro-gay movement” is misinformed or just lying when they quote that percentage."


    That's my take on it.

    "Her silence could just mean she hasn’t read this thread, since I’ve been here, I’ve left for an extended period of time 3 times. Maybe she is just busy."

    Could be just that. Someone send her an email and tell her that opportunity is knocking on this door.

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    Tell you what...If Flash asks me to remove that banner from this thread and the other thread where I posted it, I will. I will even take it one step farther.


    What say you, Flash? I want to do the right thing. What say you?




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  8. Someone7 Registered Senior Member

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    “Well, have you clicked that banner? There just might be some more arguments behind that link which you failed to notice. That banner offers more thoughts which just might be applicable to this debate.”

    Yes, I’ve actually been to a few of those sites (mainly just narth.com though). I’ve also been to other sites supporting genetic origins of homosexuality, I’m pretty well versed in this debate, on both sides of the issue.

    “I'm getting the impression that you advocate censorship. If this is the case, I can't goose-step like others. Let them do what they will.”

    I could careless if you were posting “God Hates Dykes like You”, I’m just telling you it would possibly mean you would be warned for it.
     
  9. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Valued Senior Member

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    Ah ... I remember Exodus International ... what a list of liars and thieves you've posted behind that OCA banner.

    You are now the wolf ... what disguise do you wear?

    Look ... the one thing you want to avoid when offering to "Help" homosexuals is the tendency to point toward bigots as redemption.

    It's really quite simple. I would have thought it more apparent.

    Exodus bloody International. Why not take those infidels who dislike Christianity's authority and give them the Malleus Maleficarum:

    * Are You an infidel? Here's how we're going to condemn and torture you! Join us or else! There is hope for your souls!

    Student Protection Act ... still trying to protect those college students from learning about their neighbors.

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    The banner is most definitely not offensive. In fact, I think it demonstrates exactly how shallow and uncreative homophobia actually is. And that's damned amusing. Since the right to persecute is apparently so sacred it shouldn't be bashed, it's nice to see the Persecutors bashing themselves.

    thanx,
    Tiassa

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  10. Bowser Namaste Valued Senior Member

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    Tell you what...If Flash asks me to remove that banner from this thread and the other thread where I posted it, I will. I will even take it one step farther.

    What say you, Flash? I want to do the right thing. What say you?


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  11. Flash Registered Senior Member

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    Bowser,

    Someone7 was correct in that I gave this forum a rest for a bit. I think at one time or another we all just get burned out a bit.
    Matter of fact...I came here today with the intent of just reading...

    You have asked on a few occasions to post my opinion if I thought the banner needed to be removed...because you wanted to do the "right" thing. Excuse me if I am wrong..but, I wonder what you're really after...

    I'll just state this. I did not even click onto the banner, Bowser. Speaking for myself.. I am very content and at peace with my sexual preference. I'm sorry that you cannot view it as simply a difference among people. I'm sorry that you cannot just allow people to be who they are without jumping to conclusions that because one is a homosexual or lesbian means that we have the intent on trying to recruit your children. Perhaps, this is a fear you hold..and because of it worry about your own children. But, I would like to point out it is your fear..and your fear does not dictact the thoughts, feelings, and actions regarding the homosexual and lesbian population in this case. Just because our sexual preference is different does not mean we do not have morals...or uncapable of being loving, or caring...etc...

    If we spent more time and effort in accepting others...the world would be a much better place... to think that this would happen is pretty unrealistic...nevertheless..a nice thought.

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    Bowser, if you desire to leave this banner up...hey, do so. I believe that people will see it for what it really is...
    I don't think I have to really post how I view it for you to know what I think of it.

    Take Care,

    Flash


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  12. Emerald Registered Senior Member

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    Hey Flash,

    It's good to see you're still here. I was just thinking about you and Lori today, and wondering what had happened to you two. I'm glad to see you're alive and well. Are you still in touch with Lori? I hope everything is okay. Take care.

    Blessings,

    Emerald (formerly known as Searcher)

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  13. Flash Registered Senior Member

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    Hey Emerald!

    Thank you for the concern. Yes, Lori and I are both alive and kicking.

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    Spoke with her not too long ago. She had has been pretty busy and I guess also burned out a bit as well. Happens to us all, eh? LOL

    Glad you are doing well..and I love the name change.

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    Take care!!!

    Flash
     
  14. Bowser Namaste Valued Senior Member

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    Flash,

    I'm sure you are a warm and caring person. I've seen nothing on these threads which would suggest otherwise. And I am glad that you choose not to remove the banner. As for my fear, it's my belief that homosexuality is wrong which motivates me to protect my children from being taught otherwise.



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