Kavanaugh Vote on hold.???

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  1. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Is CNN right wing?
    Has anyone told them?

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  3. Acitnoids Registered Senior Member

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    I'm speaking of this moment in time. I believe it was those women who confronted him in the elevator that made him hold up the committee vote and work out a compromise, using his vote in the full senate as leverage to push for an FBI investigation. Or, more precisely, because that interaction on the elevator made the news is why he did what he did. He is not up for reelection so he had nothing to loose politically to do what he did. I have no illusions about our current state in politics and the discourse that have flowed from this disgrace.

    For the record, I am not an idealogue. Tribalism is for middle eastern and African politics. It should have no place in a western society!
     
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  5. cluelusshusbund + Public Dilemma + Valued Senior Member

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    Ok… lets say he had nuthin to lose politically… an yet he still woudnt do the right thang - well… until he was embarrassed in the news.!!!

    Concluson:::

    At best he went from a turd to a polished turd.!!!
     
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  7. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    Remember they are making YOU pay for this sock pupet show AND they are paying themselves about 4 times as much as you get paid AND they are using YOUR money.

    ... and what products have they made ?
    what services have they provided to traders to make the country money ?
    none !

    all these hard core capitalist, less government is more, spending your money on themselves to produce nothing.

    looks like a communist state eating its own head.
     
  8. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Exactly! NOTHING!

    Well, except roads. Almost every business in the US uses roads to transport goods. But other than that, NOTHING!

    OK, maybe air traffic control. Air travel would be pretty horrific without ATC. And of course the FCC - regulation and allocation of spectrum allows things like high speed wireless data, GPS, emergency communications and TV. But other than roads, the ATC and the FCC . . .

    Wait, maybe the military. If we were being invaded all the time by foreign powers it would be hard to build products. And the CDC - plagues would sure slow down production. And of course the space program; GPS, communications satellites and weather forecasts are pretty important for transport, communication and farming. And public sanitation, of course. And waterways - would be hard to have your factory in Los Angeles or Phoenix produce any products without water.

    But outside of roads, ATC, the FCC, the military, the CDC, sanitation, the space program and waterways, they do NOTHING! Absolutely NOTHING! Why do we even have them?
     
  9. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Love Monty Python

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  10. Jake Arave Ethologist Registered Senior Member

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    How much of what is mentioned is a public good? The space program is certainly not non-rivalrous. A good chunk of government spending can be privatized which is enough to have a conversation about it — I don’t think many libertarians are against funding public goods as long as we can define what they are. (Some certainly are though, especially those “non-aggression principle” nutters)
     
  11. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Rivalry is not the antonym of "public good."
    Sure, that's another way to do it.
     
  12. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Which the private sector then charge you to use
    Toll roads spring to mind

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  13. Jake Arave Ethologist Registered Senior Member

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    To the contrary, the definition of a public good is "Non-rivalrous and non-excludable."

    I assume you're being sarcastic, but obviously it is imperative that roads remain non-excludable, because the funding of them cannot be regulated in a completely free market system. Some socialization like this is absolutely necessary because there is no real market incentive for things like road building and street lamps. If the argument was being made that air control, disease prevention, sanitation, and space programs etc. are non-rivalrous and non-excludable I'd have to disagree on some fundamental levels. I think that space programs are a particularly good example of that because to some degree, they already are marketable. SpaceX is, of course, the most obvious example of this.
     
  14. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Noooooo
    In England long ago toll roads were all the go. The toll road I walked through next to my school's sports field had a large boom gate
    Australia now has numerous toll roads which as I understand will be passed to the government after a number of years

    I also think the toll will be maintained for maintenance

    Space exploration benifits come from the usable science spin offs

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  15. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    And the direct services available from satellites.
     
  16. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Which is one of the science spin offs

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  17. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Brain fart

    Set up - 8 judges on supreme court - 4 are R's 4 are D's - 9 needed

    List put forward with 21 names from which to pick the one - FBI checks - some have "feeling up girl" others "playing with boys naughty bits" in their background. None rise to the level of crime (not even in the law books)

    Gender for either group interchangeable

    One exception - ***** star life not a single blemish

    Do you pick ***** her / him / other type gender (I am not going to list the 60+ type you can award yourself), with extremely low life skills / interaction / experience?

    Or one of the others who MAYBE able to relate to life?

    ???

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  18. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    i thought it was called a "Brain Fark" ?

    surely they should make the final judicial member a millennial ?
     
  19. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    MY brain fart I used to call thought. bubble

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  20. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    i checked google and it has nothing on Fark, which i find a little dissapointing.
    i was told by a neurologist that when a neuron fires randomly with no apparant cause or process, that then sets off a process of response to make the person say a word, or make an action, is called a "Fark" .
    that was some years ago.
    the neurologist told me they had no real conclusive explanation of why it happens.
    it can vary in intensity and thus causality, from a detectable random firing to an actual physical movement by the person or an utterance or word.
     
  21. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    yes
     
  22. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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  23. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Self-described Libertarians (meaning rightwing - the leftwing libertarians usually call themselves "liberals" or something complicated) have repeatedly and thoroughly and as a group demonstrated incompetence at "defining" what is in the common interest and the common good - beginning with the confused and essentially meaningless category of "public goods" that is their fixation.
    Give them enough time and they will nine times in ten end up trying to sell you privatized sewer systems and toll-financed sidewalks and subscription financed fire departments.
    For starters, you could pick one that doesn't commit perjury, doesn't suck up to the likes of Donald Trump, hasn't spent most of their adult life (included rendered dubious legal opinions and apparently unethical services) as a Republican Party political flack and hit man, hasn't had major financial problems mysteriously disappear while serving as a Federal judge, doesn't attract multiple credible accusations of criminal sexual behavior, and doesn't look like Peter Pettigrew in rat mode when he gets all petulant and angry and whiny about his past bad behavior coming to light.

    Judicial temperament is a job qualification, after all - it's part of the appearance of probity and impartiality and sound judgment upon which the authority of the Supreme Court rests.

    For that matter, if you want the ability to relate to American life, you could pre-emptively exclude those who spent their entire adolescence in great private wealth, elite Northeastern boarding schools, and elite Northeastern universities - especially Yale. That's a bit unfair to a couple of people, maybe, but the task is efficient selection from a large pool of candidates - we're hiring, here.
     

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