The Trump Presidency

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  1. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Rats, ships, sheriffs, Saudis with bone saws, shit hitting fans, shame - is there a puzzle? Only about the specifics.
    Ask Anthony Kennedy why he quit the Court when he did, so close to the elections, with his son working for - which one - oh yeah, Deutsche Bank. https://www.salon.com/2018/07/02/it...anthony-kennedy-and-the-kid-at-deutsche-bank/
     
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  3. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    If Trump stays true to form he probably asked Nikki to leave because he is probably about to start another international shit storm and he wishes to protect her ( specifically) from the fall out. Trump survives on generating "democrat outrage" and I guess we can expect some more leading up to the elections.
     
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  5. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Not a chance. Trump has no interest in protecting anyone except himself from anything, and no concern for the fallout from any shitstorms he creates.
     
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  7. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    I ask: "Does the USA have a voice in the UN at the moment?"
    What about the significant upping the ante with China?
    and now the shit storm with the Saudi's.
    one has got to wonder at the timing.
    Trump (repubs) always benefit from "outrage" he creates.
    just wait for it....
    Elections coming up
    Major shit storm coming up...my bet...
     
  8. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Something like that is always coming up, with Trump - elections, no elections, football season, Wednesday afternoon, he doesn't need an occasion. It's his method of governance. Chaos favors power over reason, authoritarian over libertarian, fascism over other authoritarian.

    You're talking about this guy:
    http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/2018/10/it-was-big-solving-that-kanye-visit-to.html
     
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  9. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    circa usa 1950s
    when socialist mixed market ecconomy and an over supply of jobs made america great.
    the profit was rolling in from the J Edgar Hoover big government spends and everyone had a house...

    which capitalists are attempting to create an over supply of jobs ? hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

    soo many lies i cant keep up with them all
     
  10. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    In the good news, Dem Tina Smith's campaign

    - to keep the Minnesota Senate seat kicked to the curb to remove Franken -

    apparently did not get hit too hard by the Kavanaugh debacle, losing a point or two at most, possibly even gaining.

    Meanwhile, her opponent's name recognition numbers (the apparent key to Smith's lead) haven't budged - her efforts lost two weeks to those headlines, and that R disadvantage is holding with five weeks to go.

    And this may be a stealth factor in the Trump presidency: he hogs the spotlight. Dems can boost their name recognition numbers when Trump is around, Reps face more of a struggle.
     
  11. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    And right on cue, the name recognition problem faced by a typical - i.e. batshit, racist, climate denying, and due to lack of accomplishment obscure - Republican candidate meets its obvious and time-tested solution: a gift of free national publicity in a difficult to frame matter, Reagan references, and a stage to look picked on on:
    https://www.kare11.com/article/news...a-to-a-chimp-on-facebook-in-2009/89-604642871
    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entr...facebook-comments_us_5bc10538e4b0bd9ed55a2663
    Maybe the insiders know stuff about the race invisible to outsiders, say that low-key Smith was going under or facing a significant October assault and needed something dramatic - seems unlikely, but releasing that kind of oppo research at this stage of the game is high risk. More likely: the Dems needed a distraction from Kavanaugh in this particular race. Even more likely: screwup.

    Cross your fingers. Gun control and abortion are still waiting for their cue - usually about twenty days before the vote, in Minnesota.
     
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  12. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    As the Kashoggi assassination demonstrates publicly, every single one of Trump's publicly favored and praised international "allies" has a record of murdering journalists and dissident intellectuals.

    That is something Trump himself will do, if he can get away with it.
    And everyone who supports him, as well as most of the people who voted for him, knows that.
     
  13. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Yet another impeachable offense.
    http://dcist.com/2018/10/more_evidence_piles_up_that_trump_w.php
    The building is right across the street from an earlier impeachable offense, Trump's involvement in the Old Post Office.

    The consequences of failing to remove Trump from office and jailing his ass will be severe.
     
  14. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    So...
    Potentially major migramigtion confrontation Southern border.
    Pulling out of INF Treaty.
    Another summit with Putin
    Saudi in your face lying.
    Trump spat with Fed reserve.

    And elections coming up
    What else?
     
  15. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Valued Senior Member

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    This is what they voted for.

    It was easy enough to predict, early on, that a lot of Trump voters would want to deny they support him, but in the end even the refrain about business, economy, and jobs doesn't ring true. The only things they get out of this are the supremacist bacchanal and anti-institutional, anti-American temper tantrum. They always have been so antisocial, but that's also a complicated historical mess.
     
  16. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    I am unsure whether the full implications of what this means is understood.
    I guess most would say :
    "Well ....they voted for him and they get what they voted for".
    Of course this would read better as :
    "Well .... they voted for him and WE got what they voted for"
    and given the global implications the WE is a big WE.

    If I am not mistaken the majority of those USA eligible to vote citizens, decided to not vote thus passing the responsibility to those that did.
    With this in mind it could be said that:
    "The USA got what it voted for" ( by deferral/delegation of vote or direct vote)
    but given the global implications, the impotent world got what the USA voted for.
    The point:
    It isn't those who voted Trump that are most responsible for Trump. It is those who didn't vote ( for what ever reasons) and deferred or delegated their democratic responsibility to others that are.
    "for evil men to accomplish their purpose it is only necessary that good men should do nothing." ~ attributed to Reverend Charles F. Aked -1916

    As indicated by our nightly local media interest in USA politics, constant scandal, crisis and general dynamics, one could infer that the Australian public is deeply concerned about what appears to be ill advised decision making in the USA administration.

    Example:
    It is very obvious to most here that the USA wishes to remove itself from the INF treaty so that it can pursue weapons development and sales that would other wise not be legitimate under international treaty.
    That the USA is desperate in attempting to shore up it's trade deficit(s) using the sale of military hardware to do so. To do this is impossible in a relatively peaceful world and obviously aggravating conflict and provoking new conflicts would be well suited to it's military sales agenda.

    "Smells like a duck, walks like a duck, looks like a duck, is a duck"
    so....

    We in Australia and those around the world have to somehow accommodate the deliberate attempts by the USA to destabilize the world so the USA can make a fast military sales buck at every one else's expense.

    It is worth noting that China has just opened a sea bridge that connects Honk Kong with the mainland.
    That Russia also recently opened a sea bridge between Crimea and Russia. Both bridges extraordinary in engineering accomplishment and all the USA can do is burn bridges and seek to build walls.

    As Putin cleverly put it ( to the effect of):

    "Has the Eagle eaten all the Olives and only has arrows remaining?"
     
  17. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    Essentially Trump and those that allow his presidency fail to understand that it is not money (power) that makes a nation great. It is it's heart felt values that does.

    When you foresake those values for money, you end up with pipe bombs in the mail. (metaphor?)
     
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  18. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Valued Senior Member

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    It has to do with a basic American compromise; someone always has an excuse to accept or tolerate what someone else finds evil, unjust, or just plain wrong.

    Furthermore, we should observe at present that part of the American problem in the moment is that we have forgotten to consider, or perhaps how to consider, matters of function. In this case, traditionalist supremacism, even when society can be compelled to acknowledge it, always gets a weird pass because something else is more important. The lately-trending complaint of "economic justice", pretending that one can parse justice as such, is what it sounds like when framed in a more liberalish context; but Republicans will support a racist because he is anti-abortion, or a rape advocate because he will vote for tax cuts. There is always a reason.

    Functionally, as annoying as the "economic justice" argument can be from advocates hoping the Democratic Party abandons women, people of color, and the queer, it is only a high priority for rebuke when it asks to be; the part where conservatives are taking after people in order to demand social justice arguments and then complain that anyone is worrying about supremacism is much more immediately harmful, and also has an effect of beating that faux-liberal "economic justice" dead horse into a stain on the macadam.

    And all of the excuses we have made for that right-wing, antisocial zero-sum, road-warrior pretense, this dysfunction is precisely what those partisans and voters have demanded. All those years talking about drowning the government in the bathtub ought to have meant something, but ooh, hey, a tax cut, and a chance to yell at women for using birth control, or something. Seriously, Americans repeatedly call off basic progress for the dumbest reasons, and this time, we finally done went and broke something.
     
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  19. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    'Tis called "Making a pact with the Devil"
    The preparedness to enter negotiations with an entity that has no honor. Believing that you can win the game when the mere act of agreeing to start to play the game IS the game.
    Thus the game is lost before you start.
    "No honor among thieves"
    "the end justifies the means" type ethical conundrum.

    The USA is very well versed in making agreements with the Devil. You would think that the USA would have learned from experience....

    So when those planes flew into the buildings that 11th day in September, the Devil could be heard saying "time to collect!"

    For example: The true price of cheap 20/21st century Middles Eastern oil has yet to be realized. ( eg. cost per barrel $50 when actually closer to $150 type situation)
    The true cost of a pair of Nike runners.
    The true cost of an Iphone.
    The true cost of democracy.

    all yet to be realized.
     
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  20. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    To be fair it is not just the USA but all people are likewise tempted.
    The potential of human extinction for example may be the ultimate cost of fossil fuel use, etc...
     
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  21. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    You may recall the ethical dilemma often referred to as Sophie's Choice.
    Jewish family of mother and two children disembarking from Concentration camp train WW2.
    Sophie is requested to choose which child must die or lose both to the bullet.
    by playing this game she is making a pact with the devil. ( the soldier with the gun can not be trusted)
    Ultimately the cost of playing is by far greater than deciding not to play.
    "Losing your life is one thing, but losing your soul ( values) is another entirely." ~ anon
    and as Putin alluded to,
    the USA appears to have lost it's soul (values)
    and if this is the case it begs the question:
    What are you fighting for if your values are down the toilet?
     
  22. Quantum Quack Life's a tease... Valued Senior Member

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    Edit:
    sorry, my stupid mistake in post #3276
    Should read ...11th day in September.
     
  23. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Valued Senior Member

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    Funny thing about that, the collection agency let us know, five years ahead, they were coming.

    Oh, wait. No, that's not funny.
     
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