Is it wrong to have sex for fun, knowing it might possibly lead to an abortion?

This is a recent trend in human society, starting about 500 years ago, and moving into higher gears for the past 100 or so years. If you want to examine how human culture has progressed to such a dissonant low point, you have to look at history.

 

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Right.
Because before industrial society came to the fore in this world, mathematics didn't work anywhere.

 

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OK.... shall I pat you on the helmet now.....or turn that alarm light on......

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At least we don't engage in physical cannibalism anymore....

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p.s. of course, we do eat just about everything else, dead or alive.

 

My opinion is based on facts your is based on theology. and no it wasn't an ad hom argument. insulting you doesn't make something an ad hom argument. insulting and using that as the reason does. and i stand by my argument as opposed to your desire to force people to adhear to your religious beliefs. i was commenting on your how you clearly view your beliefs as supieror based on obvious religiously motivated wants

 

It seems people didn't require factories to refrain from eating each other .... although, since you mention it, when the the fist fight over the last cockroach in an abandoned factory is over, what do you suppose people will turn to in order to fill their stomachs?

 

Your opinion is based on that massive chip you have on your shoulder.
Outside of your political agenda, you have nothing to offer.

 

And the moral message is...we can kill the doctor who performs abortions to save the life of an unborn fetus?

Seems you have made your peace with lots of death and dying. I see....Armageddon.....!!

 

If you think this problem can be solved by either killing someone or letting them live, you aren't really in the picture.

 

Yes I am. You are just terrible at mathematics....

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Watch Albert Bartlett.

 

Unfortunately maths won't help us curb our habits.

 

Makes no difference. An exponential growth function in a confined space has a mathematical growth limit.

This phenomenon (natural mathematical pattern) is called the "exponential function" which simply means that anything with a steady growth of 1 % will double in size every 70 years. This is called the "doubling time" and this a deterministic universal mathematical law.

If you believe in God, then God made this law or has to follow this law. It's an inescapable universal mathematical function in the evolutionary process of the universe.

Population growth will reach a limit and trespassing that limit will result in disaster.

 

I guess the leeway lies in whole "1%" thing. Do we really have no faculty for self control beyond that of rapidly expanding pond algae?

 

Yes, it would. Let's hope we can be smarter than that.

 

Are people immoral if they have sex for fun and end up having an abortion?

the men end up having an abortion ?
so the men are immoral for having sex ?
proxy misogyny via religious dictatorship ?

 

You still don't get it. What would you suggest is an appropriate moral growth rate in the human population?
How would you enforce it?

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Graph of human population from 10000 BCE to 2000 CE. It shows exponential rise in world population that has taken place since the end of the seventeenth century

In the lower graph;
Starting at a 2.1 % in 1750 going down all the way to a growth rate of 0.1 % will still result in 11.2 billion people by the year 2100.

Note ; the red line is the steady growth percentage. The blue area shows the exponential population increase to 11.2 billion, which may already be too large for our resources to sustain. Zero growth will inevitably be imposed by natural selection, within the next century.

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Note: Zero % growth does not mean zero population births, it means equal or greater population deaths . More like a roller coaster ride.

 

Once again, a strange choice of language, but if you insist, one would hope a moral growth rate would arise from morals, don't you think?

So it is a case that humans are just like pond algae? They have no capacity for self control and respond to nothing else but external force?
As such its meaningless to discuss a "moral" growth rate, since there is only ever just a mere "growth rate" ???

 

And what would be the determining moral?

Give me an example of self-control. Not having a baby? Having an abortion when you happen to get pregnant while having fun.
Outlawing sex altogether???

Mathematics apply to humans exactly the same as it does to algae or anything with a steady growth rate.
In fact Prof. Bartlett cites an example of bacterial growth in a bottle. Watch it!

Do yourself a favor and watch the lecture by Albert Bartlett. Don't be one of the ignorant people who have no clue about the power of the "exponential function".

 

Nope, but you and Tiassa are doing your best to.

Exactly my thought about you two, cut the self righteous indignation and grow up.

I admitted to responding in kind to you two ideological zealots, the rest was responding to topical discussion.

Perhaps you two idealogical snowflakes are just too easily triggered.

My intent was never to flame, that’s your characterization, but it sure seems to be yours. You come in, spew a bunch of exaggerated ideological nonsense, and when I respond to it you call it flaming. That’s nuts.

Stop what? Responding to the personal character attacks by you and Tiassa? I didn’t introduce that aspect into this thread, you guys did. You want it to stop, then stop doing it.