Reparations.

Discussion in 'Ethics, Morality, & Justice' started by Write4U, Apr 12, 2019.

  1. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    division by race
    division by political party affiliation
    division by religion
    division by ethnicity

    who gains by these divisions?
     
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  3. Beaconator Valued Senior Member

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    If you done stuff right. You should be pissed people are trying to do ya wrong.
     
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  5. Beaconator Valued Senior Member

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    The people who are dividing people with macheties
     
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  7. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    or
    $
     
  8. Beaconator Valued Senior Member

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    That would be the federal reserve.

    But giving an artist money for a sculpture is somehow not different from giving someone a break from making their own house on govt land. Land which was sequestered for them.
     
  9. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Not really, but it is an Aristocracy or a Plutocracy
     
  10. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    I thought POTUS files tax returns but is not required to make them public, which happens to be the same for everybody

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  11. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    POTUS should be filing tax returns like everyone else. But how are we to know he did if no one gets to see them, publicly or not? As I understand it we're talking about 6 years of tax returns, which are under "audit". By whom?
     
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  12. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    my apologies, i was making a bit of a (satire political statement)socio-political quip.
     
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  13. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    What ever the equivalent of our (Australian) taxation office

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  14. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    So far Trump has installed his own gang in all the high places. Fom the courts, to the IRS (internal revenue service), to law enforcement.

    Money can buy you a lot of freedom from regulation in the US.
     
  15. wegs Matter and Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    It sounds altruistic in a sense, but it assumes that descendants of former slaves aren't able to make it on their own, and need a hand out. In the end, isn't that somewhat insulting? Does this ''repair'' the damage that was done? Is there any way to ever really ''make up for'' such atrocities, like slavery, the Holocaust, etc.?
     
  16. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    victimization
    if you can convince someone that they are a victim
    even by giving them something to "compensate" for their victimization
    then
    you have accomplished convincing the poor wretches that they are victims
    which fosters a victim mindset
    which makes them pawns in the broader game

    a victim mindset is a defeatist mindset
    ergo much easier to control

    when you convince someone that they are a victim
    who gains?
     
  17. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    fascists
     
  18. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    It assumes no such thing. Consider it back pay.

    And you can never make up for it, but does that mean we shouldn't try?
     
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  19. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Anyone who proposes that this creates a victim class forgets that there was a true victim class and the repercussions are still felt.

    The damage done can never be repaid in monetary terms, but that is not the point of reparation.

    IMO, reparation is a public gesture in recognition of past wrongs, and the recompense should be in a form of permanence that continues to repay for the hundreds of years of great evil inflicted on a people with a small but enduring benefit.

    Hence my original proposition of a "protected" monetary trust which yields a small yearly benefit to as many direct descendants of slavery that can be found to have a valid moral claim.

    It is a symbolic gesture, which teaches that if not guarded against any form of inequality, anyone can become a victim of a "superior" class.

    Normally we erect statues to memorize and celebrate heroes.
    Would a statue of a slave communicate the proper message?

    This is the moral message contained in the Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights, in "recognition" that all human life must be treated on equal terms.
    A noble principle.
     
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  20. wegs Matter and Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    I don't think that we can go backwards, and correct such atrocities. But, we can move forward, offering a better future. Promising to never allow that to happen again. Vowing as a government, and culture, to make it so. The American culture, it seems to think that everything gets resolved with enough money thrown at it. Like if your loved one gets killed by a drunk driver, and you sue the drunk driver and win $1 million. I suppose that is justice, but that doesn't change the fact that your loved one is dead. What is $1 million to someone who has suffered such a loss?

    I suppose this is an effort, but it still doesn't change the pain of history.
     
  21. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    you dont see the same folk rallying against suing people for defamation & emotional damages.

    total hypocrisy
     
  22. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    There does seem to be a qualitative difference between defamation and two hundred years of being whipped or hanged for looking at a white woman.....

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