Nancy P is like RBG true blue American political royalty. the right are probably trying to start their dirty personality politics machines up to undermine public respect for her in any way they can. even if that means outright sexist propaganda (the video lip edit) what parent would trust the future of their children to such people that would make and spread such propaganda ?
Whatever they are told by their handlers, regardless of anything the adults do. There's no point in trying to reach them - if they want out of their bubble, they are going to have to make the move. Example: That one Republican Congressman, Amash, who has made the move - read the Mueller report and drawn the obvious conclusion - has been holding meetings with his constituents to explain his position, and they are worth noticing for the comments he has been getting from them. It turns out that - as long noted by the disreputable bloggers - many of his constituents have heard nothing bad about Trump's dealings at all. Even the pre-Mueller report stuff informed bystanders take for granted (the family tax evasions, the continual violations of the emoluments clause, the dozens of staff meetings with Russian operatives and subsequent lying about them, etc etc etc) is all brand new to them - they have no idea whatsoever about the contents of the Mueller report. If not for Amash, they still wouldn't know anything about it. They are going to do what they are conned into doing, by the people they listen to. No one else can reach them, and nothing the Dems do - good or bad - will affect their behavior.
Is one advantage of the impeachment process that Trump will be forced to answer direct questions in person with no preconditions(as in a court of law) But since ,as I take it the decision will be made by the Senate there is no way ,as would be the case in a normal case of law to ensure that the jury (ie the members of the Senate) have no conflicts of interest or even (quite impossible here ) that they have no been swayed by familiarity with the case as in being exposed to reports in the media. It seems that public opinion would be the only way to keep those Senators honest and brave. Otherwise ,it seems equally cynical to wait for the results of the 2020 Senatorial elections in the hope that the Dems and a few detached Reps can muster a reliable 2/3 majority.
i must have miss interpreted you. it sounds like your saying the dems should not do anything because the republicans have already played the moral ideology of justice card. i agree that muck raking is only going to hand the republicans the extremist invigoration they are always pandering to. equal rights gun control environmental regulation consumer protections environmental protections these things republicans always rally against because they dont believe in them. the liberal republicans claim they want no new laws but wish to make new anti abortion laws and new anti equality laws and new anti human rights laws. liberal conservatism as a political ideology is ok if you do not wish to make new laws. but they seem to want to make new laws all the time. it sure is a bizarre thing the American political landscape.
The Republican Senators will not be honest or brave. Conviction is unlikely. But exposure is not. Given the media we have, efforts to reach the missing third of the electorate founder on basic lack of communication. Impeachment can help, there, merely by its inquiry process - it's public, as well as powerful. If anyone feels the need to perform such calculations in the first place. Apparently the obvious moral and ethical obligation, the oath of office and Constitutional duty, are not enough?
That would be very much like forcing a rock - well, okay, a barrel of wet cement - to donate blood. I'm not even sure he's even capable of grasping the concept.
I was just pointing out that the disReps have looked the other way when the bad conduct,bad example and demeaning of the office are apparent to all.They are happy to follow his nonsense rebuttals since both he and they share the self preservation instinct uppermost. The Dems ,though face a similar dilemma ,whether to do what is clearly right and obvious or to try for the same result in a rounadbout way. I can't say ,myself which is the better course ...there seem to be practical and ethical pros and cons either way. I think they have to be careful not to appear to be forcing Mueller to testify outside of what he thinks is his remit.(not sure how highly the general public rates him --I do)
Me too. Talk about a guy living for two years between Scylla and Charybdis! He's going to need two years of decompression.
I was only considering the optics, but, that said, there's a widely held belief that being a person of privilege, or in a position of privilege, somehow inoculates a person--from both responsibility and repercussions for their actions (or inaction). Odd... but not really. I suppose one might attempt to argue that, within the context of American mythology, it is, in fact, odd... but again, not really.
it is innately complex and conflicting social order and culture is drawn from collective concepts. most intellectual pre-conditioning is defined around pyramid structures of assumed authority. this sense or pre-determined order is assumed as a sense of religion. this religious teaching to brainwash children in varying forms lies at the heart of concepts around what you mention. who is the one who carry's out the punishment ? who is the one who decides who is guilty ? who is the one who burys the dead ? who is the one who washes all the blood away ? the reality of the aspects of mental association of the need to distance the self from aspects of need tend to service a sense of disassociation. politicians are over paid mostly this is used as a system of signaling the importance of the position like a medal. public service careers(politicians) should not be financially rewarding(living in highly protected free 5 star food and accommodation with free transport) equally choosing a job as a service attendant serving others(50 hour week waiting tables putting up with rude customers and sexual harassment) which job carry's more risk and injury ? the waiting tables does so it should have the higher wages. but it doesn't because slavery is normalized & classicism is normalized. choosing to serve and then playing victim to attempt to install fascist law to pre-pay that service and use the service as a guilt trip to control groups and society's is easy to see clearly in American culture because it has a high visibility & modernization. class systems exist in all countrys and all cultures part of the issue is pretending to children that there is no such thing as class system conformity control requirement then teaching them to group themselves into jocks & nerds & accept sexual bullying.
remember this https://www.huffpost.com/entry/sarah-palins-pac-puts-gun_n_511433 a coup ? https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47884252 war talk ? surely all democratic process is an arranged non violent coup ? have republicans forgotten the dirty politics they played against each other in choosing the republican candidate ?
It is the nature of the class system. The aristocracy is generally above any law but the monarch's displeasure (that's not trivial - heads often roll; I hear they're rolling in N.Korea); the merchant class can buy its way out of trouble; the military and clerical classes have privileges which are sometimes costly in non-monetary ways; the professional class is cushioned from the harshest laws and hardships; the lower middle class keeps its collective head down and pays whatever extortion is levied upon it; the working class gets stepped on a lot and sometimes sometimes rears up and lashes back. American mythology is so far out in left field, it can't even throw kisses at its parent culture, never mind catch balls.
A comparison of Trump impeachment and the OJ trial - https://www.salon.com/2019/05/28/th...cquitted-consider-his-old-friend-o-j-simpson/ Trump and OJ were buddies in a way - OJ attended Trump's second wedding, they hung out now and then. OJ was acquitted - Trump does not want to be acquitted like that.
https://www.esquire.com/news-politi.../trump-administration-vacancies-agency-heads/ That - in a normal world - is actually impeachable behavior by a President. Hard to remember, in this new world of much more dramatic misbehavior by the sitting President, but Trump is oath bound to do his job - refusing to do it, screwing it up like that, is impeachable.
For what? 1) Obstruction of justice This would be similar to the Bill Clinton impeachment. The people who wanted to impeach him were literally right on the substance, but the public did not care ("that question should not have been asked in the first place"). Trump did do obstruction of justice, but since there was no collusion, the argument that "you can't obstruct an investigation for a crime you didn't commit" will lose, and Trump's approval will go up. 2) Emoluments Stronger case that will work better for the American people. Of course, Trump will not be removed from office by a 2/3 majority senate vote under any conceivable circumstances. I predict his approval rating would stay the same.
You picked up that chant? Why? Of-bloody-course there was no collusion; what was being investigated was conspiracy. You can obstruct any investigation, whether it's about your crime or not. Obstruction of justice, whether it's destruction/concealment of documents, witness tampering or flat out lying, is still a valid charge, even if the suspect can't be proved guilty by the investigation he's obstructed - I mean, that's the standard reason for obstructing, is it not? But there are ten other crimes that should have put him behind bars long before this.
What Mueller said he could not document was tight coordination with the formal Russian government. Other than that, Trump is nailed. And there were also many other crimes - including treason, apparently. Trump obstructed an investigation into - among other matters - his betrayal of the United States for personal and family profit - treason for money (the most common motive for betrayal of one's country). The public did not care about Clinton's minor and personal crimes because they knew about them. They learned almost nothing from the impeachment inquiry they didn't already know, and in fact his crimes were trivial and personal. The public does not care about Trump's major and official, duty-related crimes because they do not know about them. That is a much different context for an impeachment inquiry, because during it the public will learn a lot that they currently do not know - and basically everyone except Republican leadership has reacted to first encountering knowledge of Trump's behavior the same way: he and his familia have to be removed from office. They aren't fit to occupy the White House. That is likely. The Republican base is lost to reason and adult judgment, and they are the approvers of Trump. But his disapproval rating probably will not. There are a lot of apathetic and "neutral" folks out there, who would be encountering the actual behavior of this President for the first time ever. They aren't going to like what they see. And one can assume: neither will the approval rating of the Trump base itself. A lot of people, especially the plurality of Americans who didn't vote, are still operating under the assumption that the basic Republican voter is a normal, reasonable, ok person with some odd but justifiable opinions - watching them react, en masse, to the plain truth of what this President has been doing as documented and witnessed right there in front of God and everybody will open some eyes. And that has the potential to motivate the nonvoter - people can tell from crazy, and very few want to be governed by it.
