Handing Out Evidence for God

Discussion in 'Religion' started by SetiAlpha6, Mar 13, 2019.

  1. pluto2 Banned Valued Senior Member

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    I have always said that God does not exist but many people do not like to hear it.

    Many university professors like Lawrence Krauss and Stephen Hawking have always said that God does not exist and that no one guides our lives.

    The fact that many people are dying every day whether it's by diseases, car accidents, suicide, homicide or whatever. Any good-hearted and Omni-capable God will not let people die like that and to die so young.
     
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  3. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    God does not need to exist. The concept of an intelligent creator is so filled with scientific obstacles it is completely superfluous to the existence of the universe.

    That makes God a personal god and that doesn't count.......

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  5. cluelusshusbund + Public Dilemma + Valued Senior Member

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    Is... "i have a disbelief in God" the same as... i dont have a belief in God.???
     
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  7. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Good question. I was merely mirroring the wording of your post.

    I'd say there could be a difference. Toddlers and remote tribes don't have a belief in God because they haven't been exposed to it.
    I have been exposed to the concept and have formed my belief on what I have seen. So I have decided to believe there (probably) isn't a God.
     
  8. cluelusshusbund + Public Dilemma + Valued Senior Member

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    I was raised in the Bible-belt but i was never taut to have... or not to have beleifs in God by my family... an i dont recall that i consciously desided... i just dont have beleifs in Gods... or unicorns ether.!!!
     
  9. cluelusshusbund + Public Dilemma + Valued Senior Member

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    At what age did you decide that.???
     
  10. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    I didn't mean it like a single moment of clarity; but you (presumably) did believe in God as a youngster (even if it's just because you were told) but now you don't.
     
  11. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    I stopped going to church as soon as I was brave enough to defy my parents. That was at 16.
    I'm not sure when I first started thinking this God thing was hokum.
    It was a bit of a challenge; my mother had just finished getting her Bachelors in Theology.
     
  12. Yazata Valued Senior Member

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    Probably similar to most theists out there.

    I think that it's foolishness to set up "science" and "religion" as cage-match opponents in some intellectual battle to the death.

    Most of the iconic figures in the evolution of science were theists. The relationship between science and religion is historically complex. For example, the idea that 'laws of nature' even exist was pretty obviously suggested by religious belief in divine creation and a divine law-giver who initially laid down all the rules.

    It's only comparatively recently that many scientists have opted for atheism. And even today, many/most scientists have some kind of religious beliefs, whether ostensibly theist or not. (It's true that scientists are less likely than the general public to say that they have religious beliefs, but that doesn't exclude the many, perhaps the majority, who do.)

    I don't believe that there's anything in science that necessitates that scientific practitioners be atheists. Science is methodologically naturalistic by its nature, meaning that it seeks natural answers for questions about the natural world. But science steers away from might be called metaphysics, the questions of what does and doesn't truly exist, including what may or may not exist in addition to physical matter. (Mathematical and logical structures? Physical laws? Supernatural powers of whatever sort?) Science just answers questions about how the physical reality around us is observed to behave and how different parts of it appear to correlate with each other. (Though recently we have been seeing theoretical physicists like Krauss and Tegmark trying to creep into the metaphysicians' turf.)

    And not only is science limited as to scope by its own methodological naturalism. Science also encounters difficulties when it is asked to justify many of its methodological procedures such as experimental confirmation, inference to the best explanation or its faith in and physics' reliance on mathematics. Just explaining what scientific explanations are is challenging. What is a scientific explanation telling us, what is it doing? (This is the philosopher of science's turf.)

    Justifying why we believe this or that particular thing, and then justifying why we believe whatever we produce as an answer to that first question, and then justifying why... is a skeptical movement that can't be continued forever. We either have to halt with something that's accepted without further justification, or else resort to circular reasoning.

    Personally, I think that science is on stronger philosophical ground in this regard than theism. I accept science and most emphatically am not a religious theist. Although I do think that the traditional arguments of natural theology have some force -- Why is there something rather than nothing? Where did the universe's order come from? -- and so on. But like Thomas Huxley before me, I see those kind of questions as leading more towards metaphysical agnosticism than towards religious theism (or towards atheism). They point us towards the vast territory that still remains unknown...

    But despite science being much more plausible in my mind than ancient Hebrew myth as a way of coming to terms with what we observe happening around us, science still seems to me to float in the air without satisfactory foundational justification for whatever it is that it's doing.

    Turtles all the way down... It's the human condition.
     
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  13. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

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    No evidence is evidence.
     
  14. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

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    inquisitive.
     
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  15. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

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    Heard of philosophy?
     
  16. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

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    and you don't believe in God...?
     
  17. cluelusshusbund + Public Dilemma + Valued Senior Member

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    Hi brother Davewhite04... hope you are doin well... an no... i dont have beleifs in any Gods.!!!
     
  18. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

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    hmmm interesting.
     
  19. cluelusshusbund + Public Dilemma + Valued Senior Member

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    How so.???
     
  20. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

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    So do you think it's the reptilian in you that removes this belief?
     
  21. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Worded like that gives the impression that you think belief existed in the first place, and that atheists (or at least clueless) originally did believe and then "had that belief removed".
    Clueless' post doesn't indicate that he did believe at one time.
     
  22. cluelusshusbund + Public Dilemma + Valued Senior Member

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    I thank non beleifs in Gods has mostly to do wit invironment and brain cells that function properly.!!!
     
  23. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

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    ah is that why you wanted Jan to message you?
     

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