UFOs (UAPs): Explanations?

Discussion in 'UFOs, Ghosts and Monsters' started by Magical Realist, Oct 10, 2017.

  1. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Not necessary matey! The connection between claimants of UFO of alien origins, gullibility, and conspiracy pushers is obvious.
     
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  3. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    The classic definition as unidentified of course.
     
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  5. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Ahhh, the voice of reason, back again!!!

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    Hya! welcome back!
     
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  7. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    "which cannot be identified as a familiar object."
     
  8. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Indeed.

    Doesn't mean it isn't a familiar object, just not recognizable as such, in those specific conditions.
     
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  10. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Cannot be identified as one, meaning it isn't one since familiar objects can be identified as such. Like metallic flying discs or 40 ft long tic tacs.
     
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  11. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    That would be what common sense dictates.
     
  12. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Familiar objects - particularly flying ones - are frequently not immediately identifiable, and often only reveal their mundane nature with further observation and analysis.
     
  13. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Then that would make it an IFO--an identified flying object. UFO's are other than those. They cannot be identified as ANY familiar object, even after analysis of all the evidence.
     
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  14. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    No, not at all. Any "familiar" well known object can obviously, be either misidentified or not identified at all, depending on many variables. Dave is spot on.
    UFO's are unidentified. Many of those unidentified objects have later after being investigated, been identified as some mundane phenomena...then they become identified. Those that remain unidentified, as per how the word is defined, remain just that....UNIDENTIFIED.
     
  15. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    There is a point where many objects have been seen but not identified. But then, with further observation and analysis, get identified. So, what was a UFO becomes an IFO. This happens all the time.

    Nevertheless, there is an interlude in there where things that really are mundane objects, start out as UFOs.

    And sometimes that further observation doesn't happen. So mundane objects can stay unidentified indefinitely.

    The long and the short of it is the category of UFO implicitly includes objects that are mundane, whether or not their nature is identified.
     
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  16. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    If they aren't identified, then they aren't mundane objects period. A UFO remains a mystery even after all attempts of identification have been made. Here's a more thorough definition of UFO by J. Allen Hynek, the astronomer who spent years studying the phenomenon:

    "The reported perception of an object or light seen in the sky or upon the land the appearance, trajectory, and general dynamic and luminescent behavior of which do not suggest a logical, conventional explanation and which is not only mystifying to the original percipients but remains unidentified after close scrutiny of all available evidence by persons who are technically capable of making a common sense identification, if one is possible."
     
  17. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    False.

    Yes. Which certainly does not exclude mundane objects.
     
  18. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Yes it does. The word UFO by definition excludes IFOs or mundane objects.
     
  19. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    An object that has not been identified yet may get classified as a UFO.
    It may be identified, after further investigation, as a plane.
    But before it was identified as a mundane object, it was classified as a UFO.

    Read your definition again:

    "Anything that relates to any airborne object which by performance, aerodynamic characteristics, or unusual features does not conform to any presently known aircraft or missile type, or which cannot be identified as a familiar object."

    That status can change.
     
  20. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Both definitions say a UFO cannot be identified at all as a mundane object. Not now nor later on. It remains unidentified, meaning we can't say what it is. Hence the name UFO.
     
  21. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Just because it can't be identified as a mundane object doesn't mean it is not a mundane object.

    And - more to the point - it certainly doesn't mean it must be an exotic object.
     
  22. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Nonsense. You just made that up to suit your stance on UFO's, which most see as unreasonable to say the least.
     
  23. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    As I said, that's what common sense dictates.
     

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