Basically, I think we all know the arguments: http://www.growing-marijuana-seeds.com/legalizing-marijuana.html Since we all know the possibilities, it should be our choice to either smoke or not smoke. Unfortunately, this issue has been demonized. As Flores clearly demonstrates, opponents no longer argue using logic and intelligence... but simply resort to calling it evil. "For a law to exist there must be rational reasons for it to exist. There are no rational reasons for Cannabis prohibition to exist. You cannot reasonably defend the law you support, so your support is based on ignorance and/or irrational emotion. If your prohibitionism is based on ignorance then it is morally reprehensible because then you are in the position of advocating punishing and imprisoning people over something you know nothing about."[John Yates] The main argument is that cannabis leads to 'harder' drugs. This has been examined in many studies, and a biological/chemical link between cannabis as a gateway drug has been shown to not exist. There does exist evidence that this is a gateway drug due to sociological forces, but this is mainly because cannabis users are forced into an underground enviroment where ther drugs are more readily available. In Holland (where cannabis is allowed), pot is no longer a gateway drug, because the supply has been seperated from that of 'harder' drugs. The number of heroin addicts decreased with the seperation of the pot supply lines. The most logical argument, and the one least applied funny enough, is that cannabis is bad for the lungs and is worse then cigarretes in this respect. However, just like cigarretes, individuals should be allowed to use it as long as it does not infringe on anyone else's rights.
Since you are talking precedents, let's use alcohol as a guideline. In the quantities commonly consumed, pot does less damage to the body and invites less chance for the injury of others. This is not setting a new precedent, as alcohol as already given us the demarcation line... and pot is on the less dangerous side of that line.
Alcohol has definately caused more heartache and loss than dope. So have cigarettes, gambling, driving, religion, narrow mindedness... Should we ban all these things?:m:
No we should repeat our mistakes and add more..like pott and others to the existing deadly equation ......Right on guys.Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
Perhaps you have a counter argument for the reasons I gave for why legalization of cannabis would lead to less people going onto harder drugs and less crime.... but it seems to be missing from your posts. It's not much a discussion when all you say is "it's evil." I'll just assume you have a logical reason that you care not to share:bugeye: Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! :m:
Do you have any valid proof, like statistics, or medical facts for your claim here that legalization of this drug would lessen the use of other drug? If I remember correctly, I have asked about the correlation between the use of low grade drugs and stronger drugs, and I have found many statistics concerning how the use of low grade drugs is the stepping stone to much stronger drugs, maybe not all mighty you, but many many others. It's seldom that a person start injecting heroine without going through the process... It seems that you are the one wihtout an argument except for that you seem to have a habit that you are fond of called smoking an illigal substance. You know nothing but your personal experience and you are generalizing by stating that since I've had it and I seem to be okay, then it's okay for everyone.
Originally posted by Flores Do you have any valid proof, like statistics, or medical facts for your claim here that legalization of this drug would lessen the use of other drug? Yes, the instance of Holland... as I already pointed out. If I remember correctly, I have asked about the correlation between the use of low grade drugs and stronger drugs, and I have found many statistics... As I pointed out before, none of which show a biological/chemical link. It is all due to social influences... mainly because heroine is readily available in the underground. If it was legal, pot users would not have as much exposure to heroine. maybe not all mighty you, but many many others Far from most... and as I said, they only did it because it was made readily available to them. It seems that you are the one wihtout an argument except for that you seem to have a habit that you are fond of called smoking an illigal substance. The last half of the sentence makes no sense... but anyways, I have pointed out flaws in your argument, and pointed out why I think legalization is better. You have shown no counter. You know nothing but your personal experience and you are generalizing by stating that since I've had it and I seem to be okay, then it's okay for everyone. I have a much larger sample population then you have to 'generalize' on. Large enough that it statistically holds weight. I also have the lack of any studies which show a chemical/biological cause for pot being a gateway drug. I have first hand experience with people who used it as such, and their reasons for doing so. You have... "it's evil".
In the name of my freedom, I don't think I have anything else to say to a young man who is dependant on his habit, to the point of not seeing anything else. So like those people that smoke everyday infront of my building, I'll hold my breath when I cross your path in the future and I'll say, Have a happy death.
Yet again I think you forgot to post your argument. Originally posted by Flores In the name of my freedom All I'm asking for here too... I don't think I have anything else to say to a young man Unless you are a grandparent, I doubt you should consider me 'young'. who is dependant on his habit Hmm... that's an odd one. You 'know' I'm dependant, even though no chemical addiction has been demonstrated in anybody who smoked less then once a month? I must be a freak of science. to the point of not seeing anything else I'm sorry Flores, but you haven't shown anything to be seen. You just keep saying it is stupid and evil, if not using those words exactly. So like those people that smoke everyday infront of my building Ok, gota agree with you here... that is wrong. Have a happy death. So kind of youPlease Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
Fine Persol, it was a good argument, I learned a little about this mysterious substance to me named Marijuana. I think that if done privately and regulations regarding it's use are strict, then it should be okay to legalize it. Now get ready to pay high taxes on your Pott.
I can agree with all that (depending what you mean by strcit regulations, but anyhow...) Some of the conspiracy theorists told me before that pot is illegal in part because the government finds it difficult to tax... seeing as how you can grow it yourself. I'm not sure how much this is actually true though.
Pot makes you numb and dumb, it lowers dopamine levels so that you end up in my depressive/manic cycles and generally insures that you get no where in life unless you are a rock star.
Unless you are an engineer, scientist, writer, politician, etc.... Sure, you smoke up everyday I'm not sure what'll hapen to you... but if you have time to smoke up everyday you probably already don't have a job and are on the downward spiral.
I completely agree with this statement. If you need alcohol and/or pot to have a good time or party, you have serious issues in your life that you need to think about. I don't need substances to have a good time.
As I said earlier, you don't really need anything to have friends over. However sometimes you have other stuff there... be this food, alcohol, or pot. If you want to eat, fine... if you want to smoke, fine. It's not that you need to, but that you want to. I don't need to eat chips when I go over a friends to watch the superbowl, but I do. Just like I wouldn't eat a dripping-guey-cheesesteak in front of a veggie on a diet, I wouldn't smoke in the same room as people who didn't. It's just rude. Also, as a side note, a house full of high people (or drunk for that matter) isn't a good idea... as people have to eventually leave.
Re: I just need to rephrase it. I find it somewhat sickening that many people decide to mandate their bullshit morality on me when they don't even know what the fuck they're talking about. It's completely baffling to me that in the name of said bullshit morality they are more than willing to sacrifice MY freedom. Flores, you can't make a reasonable argument and you're completely fucking sober. How is it that you think your goddamn shit doesn't stink? YOU think because you don't drink or smoke pot or whatever you make "correct" decisions? I think you make HORRIBLE fucking decisions regarding issues in general. Sure you sometimes come around with some prodding, but to assert that your ability to make decisions is inhibited under the effects of pot is ludicrous, you don't ever smoke it. How the fuck would you know? If I tell you the exact opposite would you believe me? Why don't you judge me on my actions that effect you, and have some goddamn respect for the concept of freedom. I honestly think that most people with your retarded attitude towards drugs are just pissed off because someone is having a good time and they can't loosen up and stop being judgemental assholes for long enough to do so themselves, so anything your sorry miserable ass can do to deter anyone else having fun (regardless of any impact on you), you'll do. Eh, sorry for being a cock.. but people who think like you do on this issue need to have some respect for the concept of freedom. Freedom comes at a cost. It means that some people will do shit that you don't think they should do, you don't have to like it.. but you're a goddamn fascist if you can't tolerate it (obviously as long as it's not having a direct negative physical impact on you). Ack.
I don't smoke nor do I drink alcohol for personal reasons. I do think that all drugs should be legal because well the goverment isint your momma. I just hope when some kid ODs I don't have to pay for his medical bills. So mabe you should only do drugs if you have medical inssurance.
Sensible This is a sensible perspective. I would add though that paying for it when someone is seriously hurt for excercising their freedom is part of being free if we are going to live in a "society". For instance I don't think drinking and driving should be illegal, but killing someone if you do it should warrent life in prison or the death penalty if it can be shown that it was your drinking that caused it. It's wrong to me to tell people how to live, but it's right to strongly discourage that behavior if they hurt you.. but NOT prior to a wrongdoing. It's about the weakest members of society. If we continue to coddle people with ZERO responsibility, blaming everything on everyone else.. then we teach our youth to blame everything on everyone else and an entire new generation of lawyers is born. IS that what we want? Shouldn't we hold our freedom DEAR to us? We send the wrong message by saying "don't do that". The appropriate message is "you are responsible for your actions".
